UL 11-6-10

Hit Lincoln Beach about 5 p.m. I landed one good white bass at the dock first thing on a lipless rattle crank. I was excited because I hadn’t ever caught a fish on a crank bait, but those dang white bass will bite just about anything. We circled around to the little pump cutouts on the north side of west mountain, but didn’t even get another hit.

There were quite a few boats out on that little drop off a few hundred yards off the shore, I wonder if they were into em (chime in if you were one of them[;)]). Pretty dissappointing trip.

I have to say it’s been a fun fishing season. I think I caught more fish last year, but I caught 6 new species this year that I hadn’t ever caught before, (which was my goal this year of catching something other than trout). But I didn’t ever get into anything of much size this year either. But the few that were landed this year gives me the fuel I need for next year’s adventures. Anyways I ended up with the following species this year:

Rainbow
Cutthroat
Brown
Tiger trout - new species
Small mouth - new species
Large mouth
white bass
mud cat
channel cat
crappie - new species
bluegill
sunfish
perch - new species
muskie - new species
crawdads
carp
chub - new species

Anyways I’m sad the summer is gone, I went hard decking last year for the first time, and didn’t have any luck. So it’s prep time for the next 6 month, I’ve got to build up the arsenal again that I lost through the summer including my favorite spinner (size 0 red/white w/ gold blade mepps :angry:)

Dont feel bad i was out there too and got skunked but it was great to get out one more time.

:sunglasses:Hey, if you wanted to try your luck on the hard-deck again, there a lot of very knowledgeable ice fishermen on this site that could get you into the fish, just an fyi. All you have to do is ask on here and there are a lot of great guys and ones that half way know what they are doing out there. I’m not the greatest, but on the ice, I rarely get skunked… However, I’ll be working a lot of O.T. this winter so I won’t be going every weekend or anything…

I hear you. It sounds to me with ice fishing you need to 1. be where the fish are, and 2. use an ultra light pole.

Yes! Be where the fish are! No need for the ultralight pole or line. LOL. Used 12lb Trilene XL all winter last winter and the bluegill at mantua didn’t mind haha. Nor did the trout at hyrum, echo, rockport, or east canyon. You name it, perch, bass, everything! I’ve caught all of them and tons of them every time on 12lb. It worked for everything and then I’ll use that same 5ft ugly stick for the walleye spawn and later my favorite…bass beds! Sure I have 5 other poles ready for choosing. But the lightest has 10lb test. And then 50lb braid for big boys or my fishing gal who tends to crank as hard as she can. She can crank all she wants, it’ll never break LOL.

I’m just thinking about a post last winter about a few guys who were skunked out at provo boat harbor ice fishing. Some other guys came in and caught lots of fish out of the same holes the other guys had been using, the difference was the poles. They were talking about how light the panfish bite, they seem to approach the bait timidly, but there’s exceptions to every rule.

Also is a fish finder for ice fishing practically a must?

When you’re starting a fish finder is good but once you know the timing and species patterns it becomes more stuff to carry. I wouldn’t say it’s a must, it helps to know if they are down there, but dropping a line down will tell the same story. For suspended fish it can mark them good. I’ve got a Vexilar, didn’t get a chance to take it out last season. Lost count of how many fish were iced LOL. Also have an aquavu camera too, but use it only occasionally for entertainment and what not. It’s pretty heavy to lug any distance if walking. I never learned with a fishfinder though, it just an accessory I recently picked up for the hell of it. But yeah, not a must for sure. All fish bite light pretty much the majority of the time ice or not. My ugly stick UL pole will detect the strike though. The line will always move too.

Not to mention UL is a different beast in itself, being so shallow. It seems to me it’d be a little bit harder since you could cover a lot more depth in a different body of water.

How deep is Utah lake? Another water on my “haven’t been there - YET!” list. I’ve seen a lot of posts talking about kitty fishing in 4=10 ft depths. And same kind of stories for the whitties.

I know it’s a big lake across and around, but not sure about depth - is it like Willard? I think Willard only gets down to about 25 feet - about the most I’ve seen. But it also has rises up to 8 ft in areas, shallower towards shore even.

Whereas I’ve found 100ft deep in Porcupine, 60ft in Hyrum, about the same in Newton - in spring anyway. Not sure how deep Mantua REALLY is - but the deepest weeds seem to hit about 25 ft.

So - now am I hearing that the marinas/harbors in UL are deeper than the body of the lake? I’ve heard the panfish move in there, but other lakes like Pineview I’m hearing they go deep. Guess it must vary by the water - structural arrangement of the given lake.

Nice discussion folks. 'Preciate the info - UL is another I feel like I’ll hit with a headstart, thanks to the site.

as a general rule, 90% of UL is 6ft or shallower. 4-5 is the norm in most places. Yes if you get out and search, you can find 7-10 feet. not much though. over by the pump house, you can hit 10-12 ft spots.

Lake is coming up a little right now. 3 weeks ago, i was hunting in shin deep water. it’s now up to the knee or better.

The Harbors the deepest spots… mmmm. not the deepest, but as deep as the rest for sure. i think they congregate in the harbors simply for the structure?

Hope to get some hard deck learnin myself this year.

:sunglasses:Utah Lake is primarily a big shallow desert bowl. Folklore has it that it was once a deep alpine lake, ringed with tall pine forests. Balderdash. It is exactly as the pioneers found it…minus a whole lot of industry, homes and other development.


Before carp were introduced in the late 1800’s, the shallow lake was habitable to trout and other native species because there were lots of reed beds and aquatic vegetation…for cooling and cleaning the water and providing natural food sources. After carp took over the lake it became uninhabitable to many species because the carp rooted out most of the vegetation and preyed upon the eggs and young of more desirable fishies.


I have criss-crossed UL many times over the years and I can verify that even in high water years it is tough to find water over about 12 feet deep. 10 foot depths are rare with the average around most shorelines less than 6 feet. That being said, I personally know of at least two spots on Utah lake that are over 25 feet deep…and one that goes to over 50 feet. But, it is a thermal spring and the water coming in is both too warm and too full of minerals to attract many fish. However, they do gravitate to the shallower fringe areas in cold months.

The fish in Utah Lake have “adapted” to their environment. Take walleyes for example. They are a fish of cold deep lakes in the midwest. However, they have shown that they are quite at home in the shallow and usually murky waters of Utah Lake. Why? Mostly because they have a huge supply of small species to snack on and they get big…even with less than ideal condition. Because they can see well in the dark and because they have a sensitive lateral line that lets them hunt successfully even in murky water they have no problem in gathering groceries.

Even though UL is generally considered to be a polluted mudhole, it is much cleaner now than in previous years. And, during the years of higher water the lake is less prone to become “chocolate” after a windstorm. In fact, there are many days on Utah Lake when the water is an attractive green color with several feet of visibility.

Harbors are often deeper than the open lake nearby because they are usually dredged…at least a channel to the mouth of the harbor. This offers fishies a bit more depth as well as the aforementioned structure. And in a big flat bottomed lake like UL, a few inches to a foot can make a big difference. I have fishing days when I find fish in exactly 4.5 feet of water…for their own reasons…and cannot get bites in shallower or deeper water. You would not think it would matter but if it matters to the fish it should matter to the fisherman.

Most fish species in Utah Lake do not live a long time and they are not blessed with brains capable of thinking and accute memory. But, they do have innate drives that lead them to search out specific conditions…year after year…and after finding the appropriate conditions (deep water with structure) one year they instinctively head back there the next year…and bring their buddies.

I have seen a real confirmation of this pattern during the low water years of the drought of early 2000’s. Utah Lake was ridiculously low and all of the “standard” patterns were out the window. No water in the previously good spots. And the harbors only had at best a couple of feet of water in them…not enough for boats. But, right on schedule the white bass, crappies and others wandered into the harbors and set up winter quarters in the now shallow waters. You could actually catch fish in less than a foot of water right next to the docks.

**As one learns the lake, over years of fishing all of the various areas around the lake, it becomes easier to project where to go under varying circumstances…for a targeted species. As with all fishing, experience is the best teacher. **


**It is funny to make comparisons though. On the same day in January you might have to fish in 50 feet of water to catch crappies in Pineview…but only 4 or 5 feet of water in Utah Lake. Same fish, different waters, different conditions. **

Yeah, what he said…

+1 Well some of the harbor patterns have been out the window for a few years though in some harbors. Pumphouse for example failed to produce well for me since the 2000 drought and recovery. The white bass are back but are not moving in quite as much these years. Oh yes you may get into 30 but definitely no more 300 days. But then again the weather these couple winters have not been conducive to the winter harbor concentration pattern of years past. Too much winter severity. But if it’s too warm for the main lake to freeze for a good part of the winter…and only the harbors freeze…then it’s gonna be the MOST wonderful time of the year! The hap, happiest season of ALL!

:sunglasses:Much truth. No matter how we generalize, based upon past experience and observations, fish will still do whatever they want…for their own reasons…and each year will produce its own set of conditions that have to be “patterned”.


**Yeah, if you need a good dose of humility all you have to do is become a fisherman. Whenever you start feeling a bit smug and omniscient those fishies will whack you upside the head with reality and you will realize your proper place in the scheme of things. Humans are here for the amusement of fish…not the other way around. **


Where have you been hiding all summer? Haven’t heard much from you until the fall chill set in.

Haha, my cute fishing gal didn’t have a job and she thought it was too hot in midsummer to go fishing so we just ended up hanging out and doing whatever she wanted which was totally fine with me. [;)] We went to the mall, movies, red mango…mmmm , oh and we grew a garden together, since I’m about as good with plants as fish LOL. The year before that I took her everywhere fishing in all the “secret” spots. haha. She got a fish on her first cast and she couldn’t even cast lol. She likes new things and fishing was new in the early years we met. I was honestly surprised that she would even touch a worm! But yeah I tend to fish less in midsummer anyhow, I prefer the peak periods. March to June for bass beds, October and November for browns, march to june for bluegills and crappies, well it used to be march at pine for crappies, may and june or august, or Dec for white bass, wipers in march and april, tiger trout in Oct, well the list goes on. UL had been HOT for winter bluegills and winter crappies, but its not good anymore for the first time in 15 years. The ice brigade has finally found the secret spots or close to it. Hopefully they will forget! haha. Probably July I fish the least. I’ve discovered midsummer patterns too and I used to fish them more until I met her. She is the only thing more fun than fishing. I will give up on 10 trips where I know I can land 3lb bass without a doubt to hang out with her for one hour. haha. But yeah been hiding up north in cache valley a bit the last month a bit here and there. [;)] Too cold now, a few more brown slimer trips and then its UL time. There is one place that will still produce white bass in Dec for sure. Well, fairly sure. haha. It looks like another cold winter so there’s not gonna be good, consistent white bass for any prolonged length of time.

:sunglasses:I kinda wondered if your new fishing buddy-esse had been keeping you on a short chain. Have read a few comments on various threads making mention that you were now part of an angling “team”. Good on ya. I also are in one of those there things. Over 30 years now. Maybe it will take.


When TubeBabe and I first started fishing together she was past the worm on a hook thing. But she would not touch catfish. When she found out that she was on her own and that I would not take them off the line she started using a towel to handle them. Since then she has “transformed” into the kitty queen. I’d put her up against just about any other cat tangler in the area when it comes to rasslin’ kitties and being able to handle them 100% all by her own self. Makes a guy proud.

Sounds like you guys have developed a pretty good relationship and understanding. Makes things a lot easier when both of you agree on the same things at the same time. Seldom works that way even in the best teams.

I agree on the “happy hordes” that descend upon the prime spots at Utah Lake in recent years. You can’t blame them for wanting to get in on the action but they got a lot to learn about basic fishing etiquette and good sportsmanship. Also, lots of slobs. Unbelievable the amount of trash they leave on the ice and in the general area. It’s a wonder all the good spots haven’t been closed to trespass.

July? I still hit Willard and Utah Lake a bit, but I get over to Starvation every chance I get. Love the wallies and perchies over there. Smallies ain’t bad either. And since those rainbows came on strong they are always good for some stretched string and bent sticks. But, like all the other Utah waters, Starvation is much better from Monday to Thursday. Almost as bad as Pineview some days from Friday to Sunday.

I’m sure you will agree that after you have “paid your dues” in original exploration and on-the-water research, you find it easier to plan fishing activities. And you usually have a greater expectation of success with your targeted species. I truly feel sorry for guys who just pick up and go somewhere, hoping to get a few bites…from something…anything. Any kind of fishing is fun, but it is a lot more enjoyable if there is both science and art involved…and if it all comes together right.

Good luck to you and your lady.

I did a research paper on Utah Lake when I was in college and learned that the lake averaged 13 feet deeper in the 1840s. But the pioneers overlogged and overgrazed all the surrounding mountains, which lost an average of four inches of top soil per square foot. That topsoil ended up as silt in the bottom of Utah Lake, which was a eutrophic lake anyway and eventually would have ended up as a swamp. But mankind sped up the process by a few centuries. The shallowness of the water and the silt, which is continually churned up not only by carp but by winds, keeps the water much too warm for trout, and the silty bottom also is not conducive to trout spawning. The pioneers reported pitchforking 25 pound trout out of Utah Lake by the thousands. There was even a commercial fishery down there for awhile. The cutthroats were probably a unique variety that were similar to the Lahontan cutthroats in Pyramid Lake, Nevada (which reached weights of 30 to 40 pounds or so, by the way). No matter how many carp commercial fishermen catch in Utah Lake and now matter how many June suckers the DWR spends millions to restock, it will never return to its pristine condition in our lifetimes and probably never. If we took the millions spent on June suckers and started pumping out the silt and spreading it back on the mountains where it belongs, we could probably make a few deep areas, but until the job of removing silt is completely done, it still would be spread evenly throughout the lake over time by wind and water action. By the way, I’ve fished all the way from Provo Harbor to Lincoln beach, and the average depth was eight to 10 feet with the deepest spots registering at about 13 feet. The most common depth on my sonar was 8.0 to 8.5 feet. Here’s a picture of a channel cat I caught in Utah Lake the day my grandson was born, June 9, 2010. His brother, Parker, age 9, is holding the fish. Fishing is a good way to entertain kids when their mom is in labor.