Proposed regulation changes from the DWR

Found this while checking out the DWR site on my lunch break;

http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/…05/fishing_ideas.php

The DWR is proposing some changes in fishing regs for 2008 and is seeking public comment. Some of these changes are old news, but some may be new to some members. A summary is as follows;

  1. 10 perch limit at Yuba. Nuff said on that here already, but they are proposing to have it so you have to keep the first 10 perch you catch while ice fishing.

  2. They want to make Woodruff res. a trophy regulations lake with a 2 fish limit, and artificial fly and lure only restrictions. I have never been there. Would it be a good trophy lake?

  3. They want to change the regs at Sand Hollow to allow a 6 fish limit with only 1 fish over 12 inches. Apparently, the numbers of small bass are getting too high and they are beginning to run out of groceries.

  4. Finally, they are soliciting public comment on the bass regulations in general, with an eye towards simplifying regs. No specific changes yet, but they want public opinion. They have been talking about this for some time. It seems that there is a wide divergence of opinion on the matter. Anyway, they want to hear what you think.

i know we have went over the perch thing before.. a 10 perch limit will not do very much to the perch in yuba as far as i can see.. they should open it up with a full limit of 40 or 50 perch.. and even that is not going to slow them down much!! way to little way to late!

Yea I agree with fuzzy or at the bare min a 20 to 25 fish limit. Hell you can practicly cathch them on bare hooks down there and if they drain it a lot this summer you will be walkin across the lake on em.

I think 10 fish will be fine. 10 a day for 2 people for a total posession of 100 fish. (50 fish high state limit times 2 people)

I would think 100 12" perch should be enough to have on hand at any one time.

Sounds to me like the DWR is taking a conservative approach to the situation. If they have a small limit, and it doesn’t work, they end up with a population of fish with stunted growth. If they open it up to large limits, and it becomes a grocery store for every rod in the state, they end up with a small population that will take some time to recover.

I think that because fish management is a trial and error kind of a thing, the conservative approach is best. Give it a year, and the 2008 season may yield large limits of big fish.

Just my opinion.

i think you miss understood me..

the 40 to 50 limit is to try and save the fishery! not full freezers up.. i could live niceley with 10 big fat perch a day..

but that is not going to help get some of the perch out of the lake.. and get it to where there can be growth of other spices of fish.. right now the perch have over ran the lake.. no room or food for any other fish.. there for no walleye, catfish, trout, or pike. i’m sure the carp well do just fine tho..

so we will have a great perch fishery for a year or two more and it will all come crashing down again.. sound good?

:sunglasses:**I’m sorry but I have spent too much time, energy, money and frustration on the RAC process in general and the perch situation at Yuba in particular. I have also spent too much time around too many DWR people. **


I have lost the faith. They make a show of soliciting input, but they agree only if it coincides with what they already have in mind. They are going to do whatever they want to do (politically) regardless of what any Joe Blow says at an RAC meeting. And, if they ever do make up their minds to make a necessary change…it takes two years to get through the process…and then they don’t get it right.


Don’t look for me there again. Got better things to do.

Now that sounds discouraging. :angry:[unsure] Would you like to expand on what you mean politically? Who are they listening to? Is my vote and opinion wasted? shold I bother even to turn in my opinion? I had always thought these guys and the biologists had our best interests in managing the fishery for all of us. [unimpressed] So much for being niave.
Leaky

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:sunglasses:**I’m sorry but I have spent too much time, energy, money and frustration on the RAC process in general and the perch situation at Yuba in particular. I have also spent too much time around too many DWR people. **


I have lost the faith. They make a show of soliciting input, but they agree only if it coincides with what they already have in mind. They are going to do whatever they want to do (politically) regardless of what any Joe Blow says at an RAC meeting. And, if they ever do make up their minds to make a necessary change…it takes two years to get through the process…and then they don’t get it right.


Don’t look for me there again. Got better things to do. [/reply]

DUDE! Ding Ding Ding. Jackpot! Yahtzee! Bingo!

You have seen the light. No more kissing thier rear ends, which are blocked by their heads anyway. I am sooooooo impressed with your vision.

Congratulations!!!

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I had always thought these guys and the biologists had our best interests in managing the fishery for all of us. [unimpressed] So much for being niave.
Leaky [/reply]

Sorry Leaky, but dream on. They’re politicians, and just as dirty, dis-honest, and stupid as all the rest of 'em, even if they are “wildlife” politicians. They’re part of a system that can never work efficiently, and they manage to make their day-to-day jobs as easy as possible, get paid, earn their retirement, and go on with life.

That’s why they prefer put-and-take fisheries, sterile fish, and hate any kind of predatory fish.

The Woodruff idea is pretty dumb if you ask me. Every few years the whole lake dries up and all the fish die. Why would you want to get those fish to trophy size and then watch them wiggle around in the mud. I was up there about five years ago during the deer hunt and we drove almost right through the bottom of the lake. At the deepest part of the lake the was a big puddle with fins sticking out everywhere, wish I had my pole.
Woodruff is a really cool place but I dont think they should try to make it a trophy lake. If the DWR wants to do something with a small lake like that I think Causey would be a great place to play around with. Causey has lacked good fishing for a while, I can’t remember the last time I caught a fish over 17 inches out of causey. The kokanee are always fun to catch but what has happened to the trout? Anywho, that’s my opinion.
Hookjaw

“I’m sorry but I have spent too much time, energy, money and frustration on the RAC process in general and the perch situation at Yuba in particular. I have also spent too much time around too many DWR people.”

I agree with you that last years Yuba thing was very tough to take. I guess my hope is that, due to the public criticism they took in the interim, they will be more responsive this time around. As you and Tarponjim noted, they are politicians, and as politicians, they need to keep “face” and occasionally show that they are “responsive” to us, or lose their jobs. Anyway, for those of you that may have something to bring forward in the RAC, good luck to you.

BTW, is one of those “better things to do” a trip to Utah Lake?

I think you misunderstood me.

I agree with we should all be able to keep 50 perch from Yuba, and we legaly can. We just have to fish for 5 days to do it. And if we make a perch chowder, it may take 7 days.

10 a day means more fish days, more $ for gas in Nephi, more breakfasts bought at the exit, more lures from Cabela’s and Sportsmans.

but it’s not going to help the fishery!

it will help the towns around the lake but not the fishery!

and even worse is when the perch stunt or crash what then?

there will be no money going that way at all..

it will be just another gunnison res.. a whole lot of prime fishing water going to the carp!!

It dosen’t matter, you can still keep just as many fish, you just have to fish more to do it.

Keeping 50 fish is keeping 50 fish, if it takes you a day to do it or if it takes you 5 days to do it.

Don’t worry, Jan 1 of 2008 there will be so many fishers on Yuba, I’ll bet the 1 day take is over 5,000 fish and that will keep up as long as the fish do.
When the perch stunt they will be small enough to feed the pike and Walleye.

:sunglasses:Hey Leaky ol’ buddy…and everybody else. Sorry if I sound a bit cynical. I have just been taking too many doses of “reality laxative” and it is starting to work.


Most folks on this board know about my “valiant attempt” to get regulations changed on Yuba last year. The biologists in the area recommended it. Anglers recommended it. I did a whole lot of on the water research and talking with biologists and launched my campaign at the RAC. At every step of the way, I was assured I had a good shot at it. “All you need to do is get the vote and it is a shoo-in at the Board Meeting.”


At the September RAC meeting we got the vote…7-2. Again, I was told to follow up at the Board meeting in October…by DWR people. Just before the meeting, I had others lined up to show up with me to plead the case. Once again I was assured that the 7-2 vote by RAC would carry the board. NOT.


I told those I had lined up that they were not needed. I was the only one there besides DWR and RAC people. But, Ed Kent, chairman of the Central RAC committee was on vacation and was not there. His stand in had not even been at the meeting. Most of the morning was taken up with hunting issues and a few basic fishing regs. Just before time to break for lunch, one of the board members asked Roger Wilson “what about the proposal to open Yuba to perch fishing?” Roger Wilson just said “Our recommendation is to STAY THE COURSE”…and that was that. There was no opening for discussion and the board broke for lunch. I did not go back.


Since then the perch population has exploded, and there is now a very good chance that there will be a water problem and a stunting problem before we ever get to fish it. A 10 fish limit was what I recommended last year, as a conciliatory middle of the road approach to appease those who did not want it opened at all. Right now it could sustain unlimited harvest without hurting the lake. There has never been a perch lake in history that has been fished out. The problems are always biology…water and predator problems…with some disease and dieoffs thrown in.


Sour grapes. Since then, virtually every DWR rep I have talked to has admitted that the lake should have been opened. BUT…and there is always the BUT…it would have violated the newly installed policy of running things through the system for two years first. That was in response to a quick change in the regs on Provo River that upset the troutaholics but never did really have any affect on the fishing.


**I decided to get involved and learn the process better, to affect change from within. I joined the Utah Angers Coalition and was appointed Secretary. I have been very involved with several angling groups and the inner workings of DWR. During that time I have witnessed the posturing and the politics within DWR…and what it does positively and negatively for the anglers. **


**In a nutshell, DWR always has money woes. They can never get enough money from state legislature to do what needs to be done. Not all of the license money goes back to fishing, just in case you didn’t know. That puts a burden on those at the top to find ways to increase overall revenue, just to get a small piece of it. There is a constant turnover in DWR personnel, because Utah DWR employees are about the lowest paid in the nation. They get trained here and then go where they can make a living. **


All of the projects are usually driven by one or more individuals with a personal interest…political or whatever. Most of them take lots of money and many are focused on the elite angler…fly flingers or troutaholics who want to save far off exotic waters that most of us will never fish. When it gets down to managing the fisheries that the bulk of today’s angling public uses…or the species (non-trout) that many of us prefer…there is no effort and no money. They let the fisheries (perch, bass, walleye) sustain themselves, but then they put ridiculous management regulations in place that are ludicrous by comparison to what mainstream angling American is used to.


Granted, Utah is unique and many of our fisheries are great and the result of far thinking and hardworking DWR programs. But, it is frustrating to see some of the waters and the species programs that keep getting ignored or kicked around, just because someone is afraid of making a bad decision that will cost them a promotion. They would rather make no decisions than one that could come back on them later. Someone in DWR lobbies heavily for a higher position, with campaign promises of how much they are going to do for positive change. Then, when they get the position, they put on the brakes and build walls around themselves to protect their little empires. No different than corporate America, but this system affects us fishermen…and not in a good way.


Crash. Just fell off my soapbox.

ok troll lets get real here.. how many fishermen do you think are going to drive all the way to YUBA from SLC to fish for 5 min’s? that is how long it will take even the worse fishermen on earth to catch 10 perch out of YUBA..

now in the summer you can fish and throw back.. but on the ice if they do what they say they want to do.. then you will have to keep the first 10 you catch and quit…

are you going to drive all the way down there just to fish for 5 or 10 min’s?
i’m not going to.. and i dont know very many fisherman that would..

Sounds like a 1 fish daily Perch limit and then you get to spend 50 days at Yuba fishing would please Troll!!![sly][sly]

Get real, how many will drive down from Spanish Fork, Goshen, Provo? Up from Gunnison, everyday? I’m sorry Yuba is not close enough for a 10 fish trip to be worth it for you. It is worth it for me. I’m going to fish 15’ below the ice until I have a slimer or two, when I’m ready to leave, I’ll drop down, get my 10 and head home. Maybe take the camper and fish two days in a row. I’ll have to eat some perch for dinner, but that is no problem

Dog, you sound like you want a 500 fish limit so that Yuba can be raped in a single day. If you want to fill your freezer I suggest Tilapia at $.99 a pound. For the cost of an average trip you can buy 30 lbs or so, reduce your carbon footprint and still see the game live.

well i am close enough as well only 30 min’s away my self. and dont get me wrong i am glad they are opening the lake to taking of perch…

i just think there is more than enough perch to have a higher limit.. to make it worth while for everyone..

no reason not too..