Dude, corporate America could never screw something up this bad…they have to answer to stockholders and board of directors, etc. Not the case with the DWR.
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I had always thought these guys and the biologists had our best interests in managing the fishery for all of us. [unimpressed] So much for being niave.
Leaky [/reply]
"Sorry Leaky, but dream on. They’re politicians, and just as dirty, dis-honest, and stupid as all the rest of 'em, even if they are “wildlife” politicians. They’re part of a system that can never work efficiently, and they manage to make their day-to-day jobs as easy as possible, get paid, earn their retirement, and go on with life. "
Jim,
That has got to be one of the most asinine comments I have ever
seen on this board. To speak collectively and lump them in to one
group of “dirty, dis-honest, and stupid” people is beyond ridiculous.
There are many people in the DWR I disagree with. However, there
are people like BearLakeFish Guy who care about what they do. I
feel sorry they have to work for what they get paid.
I totally agree. In spite of all the nasty downloading on my part, I know several folks in DWR that I would like to consider as personal friends. I know many of them who are dedicated and hardworking and who do an excellent job…because they believe in what they are doing…not just for the poor pay or lousy system they have to deal with.
They say that cream rises to the top. Unfortunately, once it gets there it sometimes turns sour.
Pat,
I’m afraid you hit the nail squarely on the head. What we fisher types have to say means **SQUAT. **They are gonna do whatever strikes their fancy. I think you & I kinda began getting that idea the night we went to that RAC meeting in Springville.
I agree with you, Woodruff is about the dumbest place to make a trophy lake.
It’s in the middle of nowhere, there are no facilities anywhere close and it almost dries up every year. In addition, there is no structure in the lake at all, it gets very weedy in the summer and it’s totally surrounded by private property.
I fish it every winter just because it’s one of the first lakes to frezze. I live in Syracuse and it’s still a 2 hour drive. The only people that would benifit are the 6 people that live in Woodruff or the 12 people that live in Randolph.
I’m all for trophy lakes, I don’t think there are enough of them. But make them a least a little closer to where most of Utah lives. How about Lost Creek, back in the day there were some really nice Cutt’s in there. Smith and Morehouse, you can’t find a lake with a prettier setting, and you can camp there.
IFG
you got that Right my Friend!! olny the DWR could Screw a perch pond up that bad.. kind-a funny how a fish that can reporduce like perch is set free in a lake and the DWR has NO IDEA how to manage them.. they are not like trout! they need to be managed year to year and ajusted to water and food conditions.. not in a long term 3 or 4 year time fram..
here is a right up of speces from the DWR web site.. so it looks to me like they allredy know what the fish can do and dont even take they own addvice on how the control them? why?
The yellow perch, Perca flavescens, is a sport fish native to much of North America east of the Rocky Mountains. Although the species is not native to Utah, it has been introduced to many Utah waters, and is now commonly found in the state.
Young yellow perch eat zooplankton, whereas adult yellow perch eat larger invertebrates, such as insects and snails, and small fishes. The species spawns in the spring, usually over areas with submerged vegetation; eggs hatch in ten to twenty days. Yellow perch populations grow quickly, and the fish will often stunt (remain small throughout life) due to over-crowding unless a significant number of perch are removed from the system through predation or angling.
and the BIGGEST THING I WANT TO KNOW IS! WHERE ARE THE WALLEYE???
if it is classafide as a WALLEYE LAKE where are the WALLEYE???
here we are bickering about the perch but the real qustion we should be asking the DWR is when are the WALLEYE going to be planted back in.?? when is it going to go from a perch lake to a walleye lake???
When I have asked DWR officials about “planting walleye”, I got nothing but nasty looks. How dare I suggest that Utah DWR soil its hands by planting such a fish…anywhere? In very disdainful terms, I was informed that the walleye can take care of themselves…and would come back on their own. “They always do”.
But, one interesting aspect of the current reversal in the predator/prey relationship of perch vs walleyes…adult perch are gobbling up walleye fry faster than they can reach a size sufficient to eat perch. I heard from a couple of sources last spring that perch caught by them were barfing up baby walleyes. And these reports were from guys who know the difference between walleye and perch fry.
Sad, but if the low water winter results in Yuba dropping too low this summer (from water users) and not refilling during another low water year next year…there will be a poor perch spawn and no food for the bigguns…since they are now living on their own young. CRASHO again.
Agreed. Terrible idea. I like that place as much as anyone else, but few people would be able to take advantage of it due to the private property, and the water usage.
Causey, East Canyon, and Lost Creek would all be great places to make a trophy fishery out of.
you know dude it’s real sad if ya think about it.. Yuba was listed in field & stream and In fisherman as being the top Walleye lake in the west 6 or 7 years ago!! hands down..
now look at it.. going from National Recognition at #1 in the west walleye fishery to a carp and perch fishery..
The DWR should hang there heads in shame on this one[unimpressed].. not and job i would be proud of doing!!!
You guys are all unreal!!
I don’t get it! Explain this to me:
Aren’t you guys the same group of guys that are continually complaining about the DWR NOT stocking forage fish for species such as Walleye, smallmouth bass, etc?
So when the DWR does stock a forage fish (perch) to provide food for a predator (walleye) in a lake (Yuba), and they try to protect that forage fish so that the predator species has something to eat other than itself, you guys get mad???
I just don’t understand.
You guys are upset because you think the perch in Yuba are going to STUNT???!!! Those perch haven’t got a chance in hell of stunting! Instead of pissing and moaning because you can’t harvest those perch, shouldn’t you guys be preaching release, release, release? How else is that precious walleye fishery ever going to come back?
Without those perch, Yuba is nothing.
Personally, I just think you guys like to complain.
Yuba is unique, rapidly fluctuating water levels reduce or completely prohibit spawning success in addition as the shore line structure rapidly becomes high and dry every spring no structure is available for safe haven to forage fish and perch. Thus the food source for Walleye shrinks.
Mother nature will have more influence over Yuba than any other entity.
Maybe we should manage for Perch Knowing that water cycles will be the controlling factor, Take the limit off the Walleye and allow their cycle to do what ever it happens to based on the food supply and harvest.
Only several Wet Water years in a row WHICH IS UNLIKELY would necessitate additional consideration.
When the Lakes full of Perch CATCH PERCH!
The Dry Years won’t hesitate to Remove the Perch without our participation.
25 perch limit will help fisherman harvest some Perch before the lake dries up again!!!
well ya are right there we do like to complane. [sly]
but as you your self know the perch in Yuba are jumbo right now. have eaten all the minnows out of the lake last year. or a good part of them.. so that leves as a food base of whatever is left.. hum let see whats left? well there is Walleye fry,trout fry,carp fry,pike fry, and perch fry, and a jumbo perch can eat 3" fish easy.. hum wonder how many even have a chance of getting bigger than 1 inch?
you are right the perch will proble never stunt in Yuba.. but as you know all to well having way to many fish like perch in a lake with a bad water year or years can distroy even the best of fishery’s..
Yuba is in a boom right now But for how long? bust is just 1 bad water year away!
You guys are great!!
I’d hate to play a game of basketball with any of you. You’d try to change the rules right in the middle of the game!
Where were all of you 4 years ago when the new strategy was adopted? Why didn’t anyone care about catching perch at that time? The only concern at that time was to get things in place to support the walleye. At that time, everyone knew it was going to take some time to get the walleye re-established.
Why are we forgetting what the original strategy was? Why do we want to change the game half way through it?
Without those jumbo perch, what is going to be left to do the spawning? We all know that the walleye are there. They are spawning. Sure, the perch are going to eat some of them, but do you really think that the perch are going to out-compete the walleye???
I have an idea. Let’s make this thread a “sticky” thread that stays at the top of the list. In 10 years, we can all look back at this thread and laugh at how foolish and dumb we were being.