Lost Creek 9-22-20

[wiperhunter2]

Wiperslayer and I got up to LC yesterday to see how things were going and to catch my supply of chubs for the Fall. Saw lots and lots a deer and turkey on the drive up and we were the first on the water on that day, arriving and launching about 7:30 am. Trout fishing was slow but we managed around a dozen bows and cutts up to 16 inches, using lures or dodger and squids. Then we went back to the ramp area and picked up 40 chubs, in the last 1.5 hours. JJAnnie was there as well, looking for a supply of chubs. Colors are really changing up there, looks like Fall is here.

[remo_5_0]

I’ve got wild turkey in my backyard that my daughters feed, would it be cheating if I just sniped one? ?

[wiperhunter2]

@Cowboypirate

How deep were the chubs around the ramp?

That ride up to LC is awesome. The elk will be down the in the fields bugling at night.

Where we were catching them it was around 32 or 34 FOW big schools were coming through that were within 10’ of the surface but all the ones we caught were right off the bottom. I forgot to mention we were using two hooks per line and had several times where we caught two at once. Here are some pics of the trees and one of the nice spots on a cutt.

[wbb]

@wiperhunter2

“remo_5_0, post:3, topic:320268” wrote:

I’ve got wild turkey in my backyard that my daughters feed, would it be cheating if I just sniped one? ?

No it wouldn’t, if you have a license. I know I couldn’t resist, if I had gobblers like that in my backyard.

I suspect Remo’s problem is that the daughters have been feeding them. Just how awkward does he want Thanksgiving dinner to be?

[wiperhunter2]

@wbb

“wiperhunter2, post:5, topic:320268” wrote:

“remo_5_0, post:3, topic:320268” wrote:

I’ve got wild turkey in my backyard that my daughters feed, would it be cheating if I just sniped one? ?

No it wouldn’t, if you have a license. I know I couldn’t resist, if I had gobblers like that in my backyard.

I suspect Remo’s problem is that the daughters have been feeding them. Just how awkward does he want Thanksgiving dinner to be?

If that is true, for him to get around that problem, all he has to do is send Mom and Daughters out for some mother and daughters time, then take that opportunity to take the turkey, once it is processed and in the freezer, it’s no different than buying one in the store. I know mine did not taste any different than a store bought bird, when cooked correctly.

[talyn]

I was going to go to Lost Creek last week but wasn’t sure about launching a 19 ft boat this time of the year. I saw your pic with the boat ramp and it didn’t look to bad. How is the ramp at the current lake level? Is a 19 foot boat too much now?

[wiperhunter2]

@talyn

I was going to go to Lost Creek last week but wasn’t sure about launching a 19 ft boat this time of the year. I saw your pic with the boat ramp and it didn’t look to bad. How is the ramp at the current lake level? Is a 19 foot boat too much now?

Some friends of ours were there in a 19’ Hewscraft and had no problem launching. the water level is a high as I’ve seen it in years.

[talyn]

wiperhunter2 wrote:

talyn wrote:

I was going to go to Lost Creek last week but wasn’t sure about launching a 19 ft boat this time of the year. I saw your pic with the boat ramp and it didn’t look to bad. How is the ramp at the current lake level? Is a 19 foot boat too much now?

Some friends of ours were there in a 19’ Hewscraft and had no problem launching. the water level is a high as I’ve seen it in years.

That is good to hear. We were out there in June when the water was up to the wall at the ramp. Last week I was not sure about Lost Creek so we opted for Pineview and haul in a load of perch, catfish, and crappie. Never caught so many catfish at Pineview.

[joshomaru]

That is not great news.
That one pike has been getting her groceries, that’s for sure!

[lovetofish]

Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

[Envenomation09]

@perchinski

Northern Pike Netting Survey With The DWR At Utah Lake

Is it wrong that I don’t really see how pike will affect this fishery adversely? Utah Lake is full of predators, and I am certain all of them snack on the June Sucker. Yet, we don’t see catch and kill orders on catfish, white bass, walleye, bass, etc. Why does UDWR hate pike? Even in Yuba they have no love for them, despite pike being the main predator of the overly abundant carp in the reservoir.

I’m always a bit curious about this.:huh:

[TubeDude]

@Envenomation09

@perchinski

Northern Pike Netting Survey With The DWR At Utah Lake

Is it wrong that I don’t really see how pike will affect this fishery adversely? Utah Lake is full of predators, and I am certain all of them snack on the June Sucker. Yet, we don’t see catch and kill orders on catfish, white bass, walleye, bass, etc. Why does UDWR hate pike? Even in Yuba they have no love for them, despite pike being the main predator of the overly abundant carp in the reservoir.

I’m always a bit curious about this.:huh:

That is a “why” question.  Any question that begins with “why”…and involves people (or gummint agencies)…is not likely to have a logical answer.

**But, it is a good question.   Other states have had aggressive pike removal programs…but usually on waters that have been maintained primarily for trout or some other vulnerable species.  That does not describe either Yuba or Utah Lake.  **

[system]

they just need to embrace that pike are in the lake and manage it for pike, walleye, and bass. I get the june sucker is endangered, but you’ll never harvest the amount of pike needed to not predate on all the small species in the lake.

My opinion is there are sufficient white bass, bluegill, crappie, and bullheads to maintain a decent pike fishery so just embrace it and move on from the fact that they were introduced illegally.

This is one of the few lakes in the state that potentially has the forage base for this.

[TubeDude]

Good points.  Anyone who is the least bit environmentally conscious hates to see any species…bug, bird, snake or animal…forever eradicated from the earth.  And it is especially concerning when that loss is due to human mismanagement of the environment.  But it does happen…and loss of species is a big part of the earth’s history.  For us, that’s a good thing.  Thankfully the evolutionary process brought the human species up to where we are today…although some parts of that are debatable.  And due to extinctions we don’t have to dodge dinosaurs on our morning commute.

Personally, I am all for protecting any species that DESERVES protection…whether for economic or esoteric reasons.  But when it comes to June Suckers I have never been among the huge crowds protesting for their protection.  Junies were a big thing to the early settlers in Utah…providing much needed protein during the lean times.  But since then they have declined in importance.  Now they are only one of the several forage species in Utah Lake.  And spending millions of dollars to try to save them…just because it’s “the right thing to do” seems silly.

Part of the lessons I learned early in life…both from family and from school classes…was that one of the keys to survival (human) was to be able to use sound reasoning in problem solving…and to accept those things that were impossible to change and to “go with it”.  June suckers are unique…only by being found in only one place in the world.  But, if they were to be allowed to decline and perish naturally there would not be the slightest blip on the world screen.  What’s next?  A Trump tariff on them?

**Sorry, Junie huggers.
 **

[MSM1970]

@TubeDude

Good points.  Anyone who is the least bit environmentally conscious hates to see any species…bug, bird, snake or animal…forever eradicated from the earth.  And it is especially concerning when that loss is due to human mismanagement of the environment.  But it does happen…and loss of species is a big part of the earth’s history.  For us, that’s a good thing.  Thankfully the evolutionary process brought the human species up to where we are today…although some parts of that are debatable.  And due to extinctions we don’t have to dodge dinosaurs on our morning commute.

Personally, I am all for protecting any species that DESERVES protection…whether for economic or esoteric reasons.  But when it comes to June Suckers I have never been among the huge crowds protesting for their protection.  Junies were a big thing to the early settlers in Utah…providing much needed protein during the lean times.  But since then they have declined in importance.  Now they are only one of the several forage species in Utah Lake.  And spending millions of dollars to try to save them…just because it’s “the right thing to do” seems silly.

Part of the lessons I learned early in life…both from family and from school classes…was that one of the keys to survival (human) was to be able to use sound reasoning in problem solving…and to accept those things that were impossible to change and to “go with it”.  June suckers are unique…only by being found in only one place in the world.  But, if they were to be allowed to decline and perish naturally there would not be the slightest blip on the world screen.  What’s next?  A Trump tariff on them?

**Sorry, Junie huggers.
 **

By far Im not a junie hugger, never even seen one to know to put it back,  dont think they like jigs and cranks,  How ever, the one thing the junnies did do is bring fed money in to reduce the carp population, thats a far better place to spend our money than some of the things we are seeing they spending it on. which interns help with the stuff that we like to fish for, otherwise you know the eyes and cats would never get any help. and if the dnr is willing to feed the eyes Im all for it, 

[TubeDude]

@MSM1970

By far Im not a junie hugger, never even seen one to know to put it back,  dont think they like jigs and cranks,  How ever, the one thing the junnies did do is bring fed money in to reduce the carp population, thats a far better place to spend our money than some of the things we are seeing they spending it on. which interns help with the stuff that we like to fish for, otherwise you know the eyes and cats would never get any help. and if the dnr is willing to feed the eyes Im all for it, 

There are a few fellow wallieholics that laughingly refer to the Junie Program as the “walleye supplemental feeding program”…and the newly released Junettes as “Purina Walleye Chow”.

[Mildog]

Love all the comments. An old friend who has passed had a great line on species going extinct.
He would say more species have gone extinct than exist on the earth today , before man started meddling with it, and the earth keeps going on its “Plan”

WHAT IF WE SAVE ONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO AWAY???

And we mess everything up? How do we know which to save and which to let go away?
???

Food for thought always made me laugh and think. He was a great and funny guy.
Sadly he is now extinct. I miss him!!!

[Fowl-Hook]

@TubeDude

Good points.  Anyone who is the least bit environmentally conscious hates to see any species…bug, bird, snake or animal…forever eradicated from the earth.  And it is especially concerning when that loss is due to human mismanagement of the environment.  But it does happen…and loss of species is a big part of the earth’s history.  For us, that’s a good thing.  Thankfully the evolutionary process brought the human species up to where we are today…although some parts of that are debatable.  And due to extinctions we don’t have to dodge dinosaurs on our morning commute.

Personally, I am all for protecting any species that DESERVES protection…whether for economic or esoteric reasons.  But when it comes to June Suckers I have never been among the huge crowds protesting for their protection.  Junies were a big thing to the early settlers in Utah…providing much needed protein during the lean times.  But since then they have declined in importance.  Now they are only one of the several forage species in Utah Lake.  And spending millions of dollars to try to save them…just because it’s “the right thing to do” seems silly.

Part of the lessons I learned early in life…both from family and from school classes…was that one of the keys to survival (human) was to be able to use sound reasoning in problem solving…and to accept those things that were impossible to change and to “go with it”.  June suckers are unique…only by being found in only one place in the world.  But, if they were to be allowed to decline and perish naturally there would not be the slightest blip on the world screen.  What’s next?  A Trump tariff on them?

**Sorry, Junie huggers.
 **

The same government agencies throwing our money at the June Sucker will throw a lot more at genetically modifying the Quagga mussel to extinction, must be a different set of rules or just hypocrisy.

[joshomaru]

June sucker is native to Utah Lake; the quagga mussel is not native to the many waters it is infecting. June suckers also don’t foul up pumps and equipment.
So, yeah, different set of rules!

[system]

wow, looks like most of the catch are pike now. Seems like they’re pretty well established at this point.