Lincoln stuff

[fish_fear_me2]

That made me chuckle. Need to focus the spotting scope better when he gives you hand signals you may have got it wrong

[Mooseman75]

This was great BLK… Maybe you can watch my crew one day and give us pointers their a bit more rowdy though and only work for treats lol

[SkunkedAgain]

Lynn that was a great post, enjoyed it very much and looking forward to Pat’s reply… Later Jeff

[Cowboypirate]

Had to let Cookie read that exchange. Then I had to explain why BLK was tutoring TD (not). Then she read the about the finger and she peed her pants laughing. Goodtimes.

[TubeDude]

Oui, Oui (wee wee)

[catchinon]

TD, when you mentioned using white bass for bait it reminded me of an exchange I had with my wife yesterday. She was rummaging around in the freezer and after she spit out an “Ouch!” she asked me if I had left hooks in my bait fish. I explained that the bass have stickery fins and she would just need to be careful. I got the idea she would like me to take them out of “her” freezer. I guess I will take some of them out soon to go fishing with me. 

[MSM1970]

You guys where late or early not sure, I dont remember seeing the white s10, glad to see you got some love, oh I need some more stuff Dude. I’ll pm you. Just like Pat to give a little tast of stuff and get hook  on it  right Lyn.
It sure was a beutiful weekend for fishing.

[TubeDude]

[b]Good drug dealers know how to get ya hooked…so you will buy more and pay more.

Always glad to contribute to your addiction.

Shoot me a PM and I will put you on the list.  Just maintain your social distance.[/b]

[TubeDude]

@Rainy

I am curious as too what a flig is it looks like a crankbait of some sorts if its private i can respect that nice cats by the way

**“Flig” is my cutesy name for floating jig.  I have been using them for a lot of years to fish bait or plastics a bit up off the bottom with fishy colors and bling.  Since I make most of my own stuff, I have been making my own fligs too.  In the last two or three years I have added a lot more designs and colors that Utah fishies seem to appreciate.  Here are some pictorial PDF files that will show the designs and colors…and some diagrams on how to rig and fish them. **

[fast_randy]

Great report Pat. It’s good to hear the cats are getting a little active. I will be down soon. 
And those downloads are awesome. I will need to get some fligs from you when I get down your way.

[TubeDude]

@fast_randy

Great report Pat. It’s good to hear the cats are getting a little active. I will be down soon. 
And those downloads are awesome. I will need to get some fligs from you when I get down your way.

It will be good to see a fellow Idaho spud again.  Lemme know when you plan to be here and we will work it out to team up on the water.  Also, if you have time afterward I’ll be happy to give you a quick show and tell on making your own fligs.  Got a few wrinkles that make it faster, easier and better on the quality control.

[Rainy]

Thanks TD i bet there killer on the walleyes as well as the cats

[TubeDude]

@Rainy

Thanks TD i bet there killer on the walleyes as well as the cats

You betcha.  Floating jig heads were originally developed for presenting crawlers and minnows up off the bottom specifically for walleyes.  That’s how I was introduced to them and I have introduced a lot of them to Utah walleyes.  About the only Utah species that I have not caught on fligs might be suckers.  See the attached PDF file for some fish porn on different species.  However, due to the file size restrictions on our “new and improved” system I had to abbreviate my original writeup.

[Anglinarcher]

TD, At least you are getting PDF’s to post.  Maybe this site will get up to speed.

I can’t even remember how long ago I bought my first Float Jigs.  There were styrofoam I think, the paint they used came off, etc., etc., but even back in the 80’s they caught fish.  The bigest problem I had was that they didn’t make the ones I wanted that would hold up a big chunk of cut bait.

I’m working on that now.   :idea:   If we get locked out of work like everyone else, I guess I will have lots of time to tinker.

PS, just playing with the features trying to figure it out.

[fast_randy]

I haven’t tried making the big ones yet, Just the medium size. That’s why want to buy some from you. I think mine are starting to look ok. I just need a couple of days of fair wether so I can camp in a tent at Lincoln Beach. I will email you.

[Anglinarcher]

I just don’t have the time for all of my hobbies so I have to look for semi-production ways to crank stuff out.

I got some Gamies in 4/0 (couldn’t get TD’s 8/0 over the counter), some wine corks from a hardware store, and cut the grove. Glued them in with some epoxy, shapped them to the shapes and sizes I wanted (4 different floatations), sealed them with some wood filler and sanded down, sealed with some clear fingernail polish.

When floating they should have more of a minnow profile verses a sphere or cylinder and have an open gap. They are designed to “cam” into the jaw when pulled past the “lips”.

Now, when I have that thing they call time (I know I use to have some of that), I’ll get the material ready and make molds. I have two different floating foams, one hard and one soft, both more boyant then EVA but only time will tell if they are strong enough. I’ll add pictures of the molds as they are made. Once the mods are created, I can pour 4 jigs in about 5 minutes so cranking them out will be easy. Will take longer to paint them.

TD, I know the Santee Cooper rigs catch fish, but I’m not sure that they are better then FLIGS (do you have FLIGS copyrighted yet, I’m pretty sure it is your creation? lol Am I allowed to use that name?). If I decide later to make them I’ll have to decide if it’s worth the effort. They are fairly easy to buy on-line as peg floats.

You know, I feel I am a pretty good lure designer, good maker, LOUSY painter. I many never post that picture. :sick:

[TubeDude]

@Anglinarcher

“fast_randy” pid=‘1096418’ dateline=‘1585068324’ wrote:

I didn’t have any copper to make a hole cutter. So I cut the foam pad to length. And then just cut them in strips so you have little rectangles. And then I just trim the corners with scissors. And then take the rotor tool to it for final shaping.

You did well.

You can take a rotor tool (Dremel for the rest of us) and insert a drill bit down the center of the foam, then insert the drill into the Dremel (a little rubber cement restricts the turning a little) and take a piece of 80 grit sand paper adn lightly apply and it works like a lathe. You can make a cylinder pretty quickly. I like TD’s method, but getting scrap copper is not always easy and new copper plumbing pieces from Home Depot and the likes can be expensive.

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“TubeDude” pid=‘1096419’ dateline=‘1585069127’ wrote:

“Anglinarcher” pid=‘1096415’ dateline=‘1585066833’ wrote:

I just don’t have the time for all of my hobbies so I have to look for semi-production ways to crank stuff out.

I got some Gamies in 4/0 (couldn’t get TD’s 8/0 over the counter), some wine corks from a hardware store, and cut the grove. Glued them in with some epoxy, shapped them to the shapes and sizes I wanted (4 different floatations), sealed them with some wood filler and sanded down, sealed with some clear fingernail polish.

When floating they should have more of a minnow profile verses a sphere or cylinder and have an open gap. They are designed to “cam” into the jaw when pulled past the “lips”.

Now, when I have that thing they call time (I know I use to have some of that), I’ll get the material ready and make molds. I have two different floating foams, one hard and one soft, both more boyant then EVA but only time will tell if they are strong enough. I’ll add pictures of the molds as they are made. Once the mods are created, I can pour 4 jigs in about 5 minutes so cranking them out will be easy. Will take longer to paint them.

TD, I know the Santee Cooper rigs catch fish, but I’m not sure that they are better then FLIGS (do you have FLIGS copyrighted yet, I’m pretty sure it is your creation? lol Am I allowed to use that name?). If I decide later to make them I’ll have to decide if it’s worth the effort. They are fairly easy to buy on-line as peg floats.

You know, I feel I am a pretty good lure designer, good maker, LOUSY painter. I many never post that picture. :sick:

**My philosophy is that if the fish vote for it, it doesn’t matter how purty your paint jobs are to other fisherfolk. I don’t believe that fish (especially catfish) have to have an anatomically accurate paint job of their fave food before they will munch something. Truth is that if they like the sweetener (bait) the flig or float is just a “BDS”…bait delivery system. But I have proven to my own satisfaction that there are times and places where one color pattern works better than some others.

I like the idea of molding your own foam bodies. It costs a bit to get set up with materials and molds, but if you are going to be making a lot it can be a worthwhile investment. I have the cutting, shaping, hooking and painting “down Pat”, but it would still be nice to shorten the process.

We have quite a few Utah cataholics fishing a variety of rigs…including the Santee. Like everything fishing, these things are a subjective subject. Some swear by them. Some swear at them. I know they work, but somehow I just prefer fishing fligs, and getting those hard hook-setting strikes.

And yes, “FLIG” is my original term for floating jigs…but I have not trademarked it. Never planned to go commercial. Don’t care of anybody else uses it…unless they try to trademark it away from me. Then I might get rankled.

If you would like a few of the 8/0 hooks, I can “hook you up”.**

**Once I get my mold complete, we can trade some completed 4/0 fLIGS for a few 8/0 hooks.

I agree on the BDS. I just don’t like the way the bait hangs directly below the float. I feel I get interference from the line and sometimes get hooks bumped out of the way. You did say “sware at” didn’t you.

I actually wish I could get some 8/0 circle jig hooks to make some specility fFLIGS out of. I love the results I get with circle hooks when I don’t have to gut hook them. It takes some practice to learn to let them turn and move away, and it is not a method to be used everyplace, but…

You wouldn’t have some circle jig hooks laying around would you. LOL**

**I would be happy to trade you some of my 8/0 hooks just for the completed lure bodies…without the hooks. Or I could provide some hooks in advance and you could pour the bodies on them. See the attached pic for the type and size of the hooks I use. Believe me, they are tough. Can’t bend them with 50 pound line. And even at about 50 cents apiece they are still less costly than Gammys…especially in that size.

I have had mixed results with circle hooks. I find them to be a better option when using a Santee rig than with fligs. Almost all of the fish I catch on fligs are hooked in the corners of their mouths…just as with circle hooks. The incidence of swallowing the whole bait and flig are about as rare as having them swallow a circle hook. And the angle of pull on those big 60 degree bend flig hooks makes them “cam” into the corners of the mouth almost as well as circle hooks. The attraction quality of the fligs on bait seems to make the fish chomp hard and head away from you perfectly. One second the rod is straight and the next bendo. Most strikes ** result in self-hooked fish…and in the corner of the mouth.

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“fast_randy” pid=‘1096418’ dateline=‘1585068324’ wrote:

I didn’t have any copper to make a hole cutter. So I cut the foam pad to length. And then just cut them in strips so you have little rectangles. And then I just trim the corners with scissors. And then take the rotor tool to it for final shaping.

**As with all journeys, it matters less how you get there than that you make it to the desired destination. Sounds like a workable solution to me. I recall my own first efforts at “fligonometry” and I assure you I tried some pretty whacked out ideas until I found the best ways to get 'em done with the materials and tools at hand.

Since I build rods I usually have a lot of different sizes pieces of rod blanks available for plug cutting. But I also have some odds and ends of metal tubing…accumulated over the years as a homeowner and tinkerer. If ya got it…use it. If ya don’t got it, find a workaround.**

[Anglinarcher]

An update on making fLIGS from pourable foam.

[Anglinarcher]

OK, I could not stand doing nothing today, so I molded early, not waiting the full cure time for the mold. It works, but may cost some long term durability.

The top left two are the original cork boddied jigs, sanded to shape, sealed with wood sealer, coated with clear nail polish so they release better when molded.

The ones below them are made with Alumifoam. That stuff is super tough. It has a density of about .47 g/cc. Two have hooks but two will be for cutting and inserting other hooks. It is rated at 20 pounds per cubic foot.

The row to the right is made with Alumilite 610 foam. It has a density of about .24 g/cc, or about half that of Alumifoam. My testing of this stuff shows that it is at least as strong as tough Balsa. There are different grades of balsa and this stuff is not the cheep model airplane balsa. Think of floating Rapalas and the stuff they are made of. It is rated at 6 pounds per cubic foot.

Third row is Alumilite Flexible foam. I have not done density test on it, and toughness is going to be hard to compare. I guess fishing is the best test. The stuf is like a super light, closed cell, very very small cell foam. Think a firm bead topper, but smaller poors. It is rated for as heavy as 8 pounds for cubic foot, but as light as 3 pounds per cubic foot. It is probably in the middle.

[TubeDude]

@Anglinarcher

OK, I could not stand doing nothing today, so I molded early, not waiting the full cure time for the mold. It works, but may cost some long term durability.

The top left two are the original cork boddied jigs, sanded to shape, sealed with wood sealer, coated with clear nail polish so they release better when molded.

The ones below them are made with Alumifoam. That stuff is super tough. It has a density of about .47 g/cc. Two have hooks but two will be for cutting and inserting other hooks. It is rated at 20 pounds per cubic foot.

The row to the right is made with Alumilite 610 foam. It has a density of about .24 g/cc, or about half that of Alumifoam. My testing of this stuff shows that it is at least as strong as tough Balsa. There are different grades of balsa and this stuff is not the cheep model airplane balsa. Think of floating Rapalas and the stuff they are made of. It is rated at 6 pounds per cubic foot.

Third row is Alumilite Flexible foam. I have not done density test on it, and toughness is going to be hard to compare. I guess fishing is the best test. The stuf is like a super light, closed cell, very very small cell foam. Think a firm bead topper, but smaller poors. It is rated for as heavy as 8 pounds for cubic foot, but as light as 3 pounds per cubic foot. It is probably in the middle.

**Lookin’ good. Now paint 'em up purty and introduce them to some cantankerois catfish. I have no doubt they will work. **