Pretty sure worst season in forum history...

So I have officially decided I was not born to be an angler. I have gone on 29 not an estimate different fishing outings over the summer and have caught ONE small catfish the entire season.

Dont get me wrong I was giddy as a kid on Christmas at the Channel as Catfish are by far my favorite fish in looks and as far as fishing/eating goes.

But when you consider the amount of hours and dollars spent it is a bit depressing. And I am not talking only going to dink location to fish (if there are any?)

Lets see this year I have hit - Pineview, Lost Creek, Echo, WIllard, Mantua, Bountiful, East Canyon, Each lake on the Mirror Lake High way, Kaysville and I am sure a couple others that I cant think of at the moment.

Lately I have been trying to do Willard bay at night as I hear that is great for cats. And I have had no luck what so ever.

Who would think my only catch all year has been at the Urban Fishery in Bountiful?

So I am finally desperate… please enlighten me in the art of cat fishing from the shore. I can pretty well drive anywhere within 3 or so hours of Farmington on anyday of the week at any time of the day and can take any type of bait needed.

Bear River Bird Refuge

Maybe you shoudl fish for some other species as well? Or PM tubedude about some areas and what bait to try on either Willard or Utah Lake.

I have no other advice to give because I very rarely go after Catfish.

Oh I go after anything I just usually have had the best luck in the past with catfish from shore. I dont do anything special for the Cats a simple worm under a bobber… but Thanks for the tip on Tube dude he is definitely a great guy with LOTS of knowledge under his belt. I think if I had a rough idea of a good time and a good spot to try at willard I would do good.

My original post sounds far ty whiney sorry for that haha

If you can’t catch it, SPEAR IT!

:sunglasses:First of all, get rid of the notion that you have to fish at night for catfish. I catch hundreds every year and I quit “feedin’ the skeeters” (night fishing) years ago. True, you can sometimes catch more large cats at night…but only if you know what you are doing and have the right tackle and the right bait…and know where you are fishing. It is silly to go someplace for the first time…at night…not knowing the spot at all…and expect to load up. Also, go with someone who can help you learn more and catch some fish. Don’t take somebody else who is a worse angler than yourself and only causes problems through their own inexperience.


That may sound harsh but I read your account of night fishing at Willard. Your intentions were good and you were sincere in your desire to catch fish. But you screwed up at every turn. You were not prepared for any aspect of the trip and it was just one big comedy of errors. You are either cursed with bad luck or you just plain do not plan well for fishing trips.


There is a whole lot more to fishing than chucking out a recommended bait, in a recommended spot and hoping to get lucky. Fishing truly is a combination of art and science. And if you check hospital records from all over the whole world you will not find any birth records that list a “born fisherman”. Everybody starts off the same…with the same lack of knowledge and experience. After that it is a combination of getting a lot of help and doing a lot of reading, research and practice on your own…and being able to learn from each bit of help you receive and everything you pick up from books or the internet.


I am not being critical of you personally. I know from my own experience and from meeting countless other anglers both on the water and in other situations that there are a whole lot of folks that have a lot more passion than skill for fishing. Unfortunately, as with any sport…or almost any other pursuit in life…you will do better at fishing if you have some qualified instruction to help you learn the right things…and then practice the right things rather than continuing to do everything wrong…simply because you don’t know any better.


In the past we have had “Fishing 101” get togethers where BFT members brought their tackle and we could look it over and tell them what was good or bad about it…and help them learn how to use it better. There are countless combinations of rods, reels, lines, lures, flies, hooks, bobbers, sinkers, swivels and other fishing paraphernalia available to enthusiastic fishermen. But, there are very special and refined combinations that are best suited for specific fishing situations. You can buy one rod, reel and line combination that will work for a wide range of waters and species, but some folks end up with “Wally World Specials” that are ill suited for the kind of fishing they do most.


Then there is basic rigging and casting. Again, you can GET BY with a lot of different rigs…and still catch a few fish. But most of the time you will catch a lot more fish and have more fun if you know how to tie the right knots and present the bait or lures better…on special rigs. And knowing how to cast properly will give you more distance and accuracy. That can be critical for some species on some waters…and it will almost always make a difference…no matter where you fish and what you fish for.


Then you have to be able to find the fish. They are not everywhere or in every water. YOU CAN’T CATCH THEM WHERE THEY AINT. So it pays to know the waters and the species and to be able to guess where you have the best chance of finding some active feeders. Not all fish feed all of the time. And you have to know what to present to them…bait, lures, flies, etc. That will change a lot during the year on the same waters for the same species. Again…art and science.


Okay, I am rambling. But I kinda went off when you listed a bunch of spots that you had fished without catching ANYTHING. That should never happen to an angler who has basic skills and who properly prepares for a trip. It ain’t ALL luck.


The last time we tried to set up a Fishing 101 class there were more BFTers who volunteered to help than folks who were ready to admit they could use some pointers. So, we bagged it and I have pretty much given up on it myself. I’d rather go fishing.


**BUT…if you will PM me…if you are interested…I will be happy to do a one-on-one session with you to see just where you are in your basic skills and knowledge…and then to make some suggestions on a few things you can do to make some improvements. Might even show you how to catch some catfish. **


So, don’t jump off your tackle box. Fire up your internet browser and start looking up some of the fishing websites that discuss the issues I mentioned. Take one or two things at a time and hone your skills. Then practice…knot tieing, casting, etc. until handling your tackle is natural and you can focus on the variables in fishing.


**Next, start keeping a fishing log. Keep track of where you fish…time of day, temperature conditions of both air and water, baits and lures used, etc. You will be able to chart your progress and if you let others look at it they can probably make meaningful suggestions. **


And…GOOD LUCK. No matter how good anybody thinks they are at fishing, luck DOES still play a part in it.

haha cant tell if that is sarcasm or what but ya I am gonna go out to utah lake and take some carp out today or tommorow I think. If you see someone diving dont run me over kk? And if that was not sarcasm I gotta say its alot different catching fish and spearing fish.

TubeDude Thank you so much for your answer. You are a great guy I will do exactly what you said and hit the books…well websites and start training myself of the technical side of fishing.

I do have to admit I have a bit of teenage I can do anything attitude about me and it really helps when someone experienced like you tells me its not that I’m unlucky that its that I’m doing it wrong.

I really did not plan on that willard trip very well I planned it to be just my girlfriend and I but then someone decided to have a heart attack and my mom had to head to work which in turn landed me baby sitter as well.

No one in my family is really the outdoorsy type so it has been more what I have done alone over my few (18 in a couple days) years.

If it isn’t too much to ask but what would you suggest as a good size hook for the average fish we have here in Utah. I have never seen a chart or such that shows size of fish to hook size and I think that may help as well.

I truelly want to thank you so much on your answer I have copied and saved it to my computer to review in future times. Thanks -MarineSpear

I cant really add anything to tubedudes response but heres a pm coming with a good walk to spot that you will for sure catch cats.

I’m not much of a cat fisherman but pretty decent with the other species. I have a week and a half off work starting today. So if you want to hook up for a little fishin drop me aline. Then we can get into some fish!:sunglasses: The knowledge and skills as TD stated are not made overnight. I as well took years to learn about the fish I catch and I am still learning about different methods and ways to catch them. Again drop me a line. I will be happy to take you out.

You appear to have an “I” problem. Fishing is like anything else in life, much easier to learn if one can be taught in person by someone who is experienced. If you truly want to learn how to fish (which I consider admirable BTW) get out for the first few times with others who are having success. There are several ways to accomplish that but one good way is to send PMs to those who are posting reports about being successful and nicely ask them if you could tag along sometime and learn from them. You will be surprised how many fellow anglers would be happy to show you the ropes.

Ever so true Kent. Kent and I did go fishing together once. Wanted to do it again but schedules never coincided. But hey Kent still willing if ever we can get our schedules figured out.:laughing: As Kent stated, find someone who knows what lake is what and see what happens. I have fished with others in the past and was able to glean some great info (ie: Kent, Chuck, TD, etc…) I am always willing to pass on what I learn from others as well. So don’t get down, go fishin’:slight_smile:.

Fishing is like anything else in life, much easier to learn if one can be taught in person by someone who is experienced.

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Oh hell - I was gonna offer to help, until you went and said this:

Don’t take somebody else who is a worse angler than yourself and only causes problems through their own inexperience.

Guess that rules me out!

Saw a roadkill porcupine on the way to Paradise last Saturday. Thought maybe it was a good sign. Considered stopping to grab a quill - fashion a “natural” hook! (didn’t)
Had the pleasure of meeting up with an experienced BFTer/moderator. But after a morning of chasing schools of fish - we came up empty. Not a bite to speak of.

BUT - now here’s the positive note: I learned lots, even though we didn’t catch anything - I saw what kind of lures have worked, where and how they’ve worked, and how to present them. What to look for on a fishfinder, how to interpret, and how to respond.
And bottom line - I felt better for the fact that I haven’t been that far off. I’ve been presenting workable offers in suitable fashion.

SO - either I am a curse, or have just hit the wrong day, wrong time, wrong alignment of the planets.
Though I can say I’ve done better than 1 fish this year, I’ll admit I’ve had a number of empty outings (yet I keep having to try Willard…FOOL of a took!).

I suspect overall I’ve had more bites than I’ve realized (judging by the lost bait) and have yet to learn TDs finesse touch. He’s got a way with the kitty’s for sure!

If you do offer a 1on1, I’d love to at least audit your class Pat! I’ll meet anywhere, anytime, as long as it’s ok with the boss. Plus I’d have to let work know if it’s a weekday.

I am heading to Mantua today. (30 minutes to Whopner! Staring at my red-tiger worms right now! They didn’t want to wait in the car.)

So - Marinespear - if you want to come up to Mantua today, can’t promise you any catfish from that water (gotta target the right thing in the right place), but we could chase rainbows, bass, and their little friends. I’ve got a seat open. I’ll pm you my phone#. I expect to launch before 3pm, then probably get off the water by 8-ish. I know it’s short notice, so we could always plan better.

Benson Marina, Cutler Marsh area has a lot of nice cats. If you’d care to try out there, be glad to meet up. I think I want to launch from Cache Junction next time, and work south. I’ve almost always found SOME cats out there, even if they’re just dinky mudbellies.
Have yet to discover the elusive crappie/bass/walleye I hear frequent those water. My son is still hankering to hook into another big fat carp. This weekend could work.

im going to strawberry tomorrow if you want to tag along
im taking my boat and you are welcome to come
if you like slimmers(trout)

“If it isn’t too much to ask but what would you suggest as a good size hook for the average fish we have here in Utah. I have never seen a chart or such that shows size of fish to hook size and I think that may help as well.”

:sunglasses:It is difficult to make a generalized recommendation on hook size for the “average” fish. I buy and use hooks from small size 10 or 12 up to as large as 4/0. Those include the ones I use to make lures and the ones I use to fish bait.

Howsomever, let’s assume that you will be fishing only nightcrawlers or similar sized bait for a variety of species…of all sizes. I would suggest you have an assortment of hooks from size 6 to size 2, and that you not get too fancy in the types of hooks. Plain old baitholder hooks will do fine, although they are not as sharp as I like until I put a hone to them.

The size of the bait and how you hook it is important too. You should balance the size of your hooks to the size of the bait as well as the size of the fish you are after. The bait should cover most of the hook but in most cases you should leave the hook point slightly exposed…for better hook setting. Otherwise when you haul back on the rod when you get a bite you will just pull the covered hook out of the fish’s mouth without hooking it.

As you further your fishing education you will find that there are lots of different styles of hooks and that they are available in different shapes and finishes…gold, bronze, red and other colors. Sometimes that can make a difference. Other times it catches fishermen more than fish. It is important to know the options and how they can help improve your success rate before you blow money on something that makes no difference.

Keep on keepin’ on.

Thanks all for the tips, sorry to have stolen the thread away from its original intent.

TubeDude mentioned that fishing is a combination of art and science, is tackle organization more on the art side or the science side?

If you ever get in the Cache area give me a shout I’de be happy to show you some good spots and techniques I use for the elusive kitties. And Tube is right about the night fishing, I’ve caught more cats with the sun up then I ever have with it down. I think night fishing is an urban legend anyway.

I would say art side for those who build their own lures and flies. Science side for knowing what the finicky fish want and when. Always gotta have one of everything that they like just for incase. Found that out on starvation years ago. Had smallies chasing the chartreuse jigs and not taking them, switched to smoke with silve flek and wham! they wanted that much more. Now they are chasing the chartreuse with red flek. So depends upon day and water.

AGREED DUDE !!! Worst in the history of me fishig??? I have never spent so much and fished more for literally NOTHING !! I feel your pain ! Ive sat next to my fishing buddy on every outing and he always hooks and im using the same rig same bait ! LOL Unreal! Good luck the rest of the year thanks for the VENT !!!

TubeDude mentioned that fishing is a combination of art and science, is tackle organization more on the art side or the science side?

:sunglasses:Haven’t thought about that. But I might guess that setting up and maintaining some kind of system on your own would be “ART”. If you need a computer to help you then that is “SCIENCE”.