Fat Cat Review - 2008

:sunglasses: **I fished from a Super Fat Cat for about 5 years, before succumbing to the temptation to “upgrade” to the “state of the art” H3 Freestyle. I did appreciate many of the features of the H3…such as the quality construction, greater stability, etc. However, I found that I did not ride as comfortably in the seats…even with “modifications”…and it was just a bit larger than I like. The elongated front ends of the air chambers created some “challenges” both in transporting in a SUV and in fighting fish. **


TubeBabe shared my feelings on the comfort. She also tried several different “adjustments” and modifications on the seats to no avail. Neither of us could ever fish more than two or three hours without a serious case of “sititis”. She made it clear that she much preferred the foam seats of her old Fat Cat.


Got our new SFC and FC on eBay for good prices and got ‘em tricked out (see separate threads). Took them out on the water for the first time March 10. From past experience, we had the seats set up and adjusted about where we thought they should be…it we had them just right. Fished several hours on the water…in two different locations…and did not need to make any adjustments. Complete comfort and no “butt cramps”.


**I did find several changes in the overall construction from our earlier models. Formerly the side pockets were all one long pocket. Now they are separated into two compartments…the longer main pocket and a smaller rear pocket. The front pocket still has two zippers…one on either side…rather than the single zipper down the centerline as with many float tube models. There is also some semi rigid foam reinforcement within the side walls of the main pockets. This helps keep them open and supportive, rather than collapsing easily. That can help prevent tackle boxes or other items from sliding off the top of the stack inside the pockets and going over the side. **


The rear pocket has only a single zipper, but those rear pockets are handy for holding a battery on one side and small items on the other. I use the right side pocket to hold a fish marker buoy, a measuring tape and a set of digital scales. Great to have them handy rather than having to dig through a full tackle pocket.


There are also nice mesh pockets (with zippers) on the back of the upright part of the seat. Again, there are some items you would like to keep secure from falling out while moving your craft and secure zippers help.


The air chamber (single air bladder) on the 2007 models we got is still the quality urethane bladder, but I understand they will be downgrading to PVC bladders on future models. Not good.


The stripping aprons that come standard with Outcast tubes have always been wimpy. They are well made, from good quality nylon mesh, and should work fine for fly flingers. However, they do not provide a firm surface for tackle tinkering and fish control. And, if you catch a lot of spiny fish you should be careful about dropping them in your lap, if you are using an Outcast apron. Punctures of your waders are minor compared to punctures of your “anatomy”. No protection. Also, the attachment at the rear of the apron is via Velcro fasteners. Once fastened it is like a safety belt. You cannot move or maneuver with any kind of flexibility. And, they are tough to attach and detach once you are in the seat…especially if you have a bit of “girth” and limited flexibility.


The one final “downgrade” I lamented was that they no longer have D rings on the front nose of the air chambers. True, I cut them off my original model, because I kept getting my landing net tangled on them. But, I had counted on having them for the installation of a transport wheel on my new model…AND THEY WERE NO LONGER THERE. Now I have to go back to using my golf cart “tube truck” for long transports.


All of the Outcast products are now being made in China. The cost reduction factor shows up in the quality of the nylon covers and the PVC bottoms. Both are thinner than on previous models. Still good, but not as good.


In short, I love the size and comfort of the new Super Fat Cat. However, I am saddened by the “little things” I had to give up on my new model. True, there are some enhancements and upgrades that I appreciate, and will enjoy. But, we are always quicker to criticize than to praise.

Nice.


Looks like the features of the 2007 model are just like the 2005 model - at least they appear to be the same.


Bummer that they’re abandoning the Urethane bladders. That was a real selling point for me. I wonder if there will be a price reduction? It would seem to follow, though I haven’t looked.


z~

:sunglasses:They should have had a BIG price reduction starting a couple of years ago…when they started getting them made in China for about $60 apiece. Cut out the urethane bladder and you can reduce that a few dollars more.


I don’t know if it is just a mistake, or if it is a sign of things to come, but in the Cabelas insert in my paper this morning they were advertising an 'in store" sale on Super Fat Cats for $199. I suspect that it should have read the REGULAR Fat Cat, but anybody who goes into the store can hold them to it.


Probably the last float tubes we will ever buy, so we will enjoy our new ones.

Probably the last float tubes we will ever buy, so we will enjoy our new ones.

Now don’t go saying that!

God Bless,
Don

TD – I went to Cabelas.com and looked at circular for Lehi…The one you mentioned – and it did say “Super Fat Cat” = $199 (Was $350)

Now I just purchased (scheduled to arive on the 18th) – a Super Fat Cat from “Bargain Cave” for $300…What is up with this? If this is indeed true – I must have the worst timing of anybody EVER. [pirate]

He’s just being optimistic that these ones will last 40 years.:sunglasses:

FF462

:sunglasses:Don’t worry. I have not planned to “check out” any time soon. But, since we have 4 now, it is not likely we will be needing to buy any more in the near future. Our older ones are still around and still very serviceable.


:sunglasses:Bad timing indeed. But, given Cabelas aggressive policy of “price matching”, I would suggest that you call them at the Customer Service number and explain the whole situation. Give them a chance to take care of you. I’m betting that you get some kind of break. Maybe a broken leg?

Hi Pat and the rest of ya all. (waves)

Hey after being told they were down grading the bladder to PVC I wrote them a letter.

Recieved a reply yesturday. Mr Johnson (whoever he is) Clearly stated that they have NO INTENTION of changing the bladder from urathane to PVC. He did go on to say that a few were manufactured with a PVC bladder for 2008. That it was a mistake made at the source of origin and that all had been recalled.

So at least the new ons will continue tohave the best bladder on the market… at least for now.

And 2 bills for a SFC is a good deal. I might be sporting a new ride myself. Thanks for the heads-up.

:sunglasses:Hey Marty, good to have you drop in again. Thanks for the followup and the good news.


**Got a new launch spot down by the Bubbleup. Have you seen it? After the county put in that bike path, and all the barriers, they built a nice little access area just to the south of the old gate. I discovered it while doing a drive by last week. It will be an easy kick around a patch of reeds and you will be at the Bubbleup. Should be lots of kitty action in all the reeds later too. **


**Not finished yet, but they are also grading out a parking area on the east side of the road and it looks like they will be allowing drive access down to the water. They have 3 little pavilions with roofs and tables down there and a lovely little sand launching beach. Might be hitting it in the morning. Still have to hike down the bank to get there, but doable. **

That is interesting cause I too wrote to OUTCAST and got a letter back saying EVERYTHING under the PAC1200, IS made in China and is PVC. Got this letter last week…Hmmmmmmmmmmmm[crazy]
Of course you can always tell at just a glance, if it is PVC or Urethane.

Good to hear from you again Marty.

I wondered if the mysterious “recalled” SFC’s are being sold in certain “Bargain Caves” for $100 bucks more than what the regular SFC’s are on sale for in your local Cabela’s ad. That would be just my luck.

On the plus side – the open water here in SE NE is starting to peak out from those slabs off ice…So I will get to play with my new toy very very soon.

okay..Ill bite on this one.. how do you tell ??

MacFly :sunglasses:

:sunglasses:How do you describe the taste of salt to someone who has never tasted salt…without using the word salty?


It is difficult to explain in a few words. You need to have seen both to know the difference.


But, the urethane are chewier.

First off, PRICE urethane is always more, weight, urethane weighs less, but will hold more weight. Urethane is a frosty color and thick. There is no give to urethane. I have seen PVC clear and blue, maybe TD can add to this one.
I will say, I am sure the Prowler is Urethane, wether it stays that way we will have to wait and see, for 2008.
I have heard that AIRE is going overseas and they were making OUTCAST bladders, don’t know if that is still the case.
Seems a little costy having a plant in the US and in China making the same thing.

… so urethane is more like an old inner tube and pvc is like a thick baggie.. [:)]

MacFly

Id say.. and I not the expert here.. but if AIRE does go overseas.. they will simply shut down the factory here once the one overseas is up and running to full capacity.. thats just my .02

MacFly

:sunglasses:No, you are thinking of the old “butyl” rubber inner tube. That stuff is no longer used for tubes and toons. Too heavy and it rots after prolonged use in water.


The urethane air chambers I have seen are kind of an off white to almost clear color, but feel thicker and less “stretchy” to the touch than vinyl or PVC. The latter are usually thinner walled and almost clear. They are stretchier and the seams on them cannot withstand the higher air pressure that urethane can. That’s why almost all failed air bladders I have heard of have been vinyl/PVC.

when you first said thicker the old tire tube came to mind.. I know that is not todays material but was the best analogy I could come up with.. I guess I will just have to rely on what the packaging has to say when I do invest in a newer tube.. but at least now I have an idea of what I am looking for.. [:)]

MacFly

Better to think of it like those Sandwich bags that you fold that flap over and tuck it in compared to a FREEZER bag.
Plus Urethane is more like Fluorocarbon (no stretch and will not deteriorate) and PVC like Mono,(stretch and deteriorate over time).