04-30-2019, 01:53 AM
[quote Troll]Motorised watercraft are state registered motor vehicles and come under the jurisdiction of the state. That is why states can restrict HP on lakes, can restrict speed limits on lakes and things like that. All motor boat regulations in Utah come from Parks and Recreation, federal land or not, the water is held in trust by and for the state. I believe, but could be mistaken because this is not to say that the state hasn't turned those enforcement rights over to the fed.[/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]I have to respectfully disagree with your statements above. The state does in fact have jurisdiction over things like boat safety, registration, and compliance with Federal watercraft standards. And they also set standards and restrictions on those bodies of water that are under their State Parks contracts with the appropriate Federal agencies such as the Forest Service, Bureau of Reclamation, et al. They do NOT set speed limit or HP restrictions for those bodies of water that are NOT under their contractual control. For example, Porcupine is wakeless because the water company that manages it says it is wakeless. Utah did not/does not have a say in it. They just list it as such in their list of of wakeless waters. I know this to be true because I got it listed as wakeless last year by having several conversations with the state and the water manager. Before last year, there was a sign on the dam that said it was wakeless, but it was not listed as such on the States list. It is now.[/size][/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Cutler has a HP restriction for use there. It was set by Pacific Power because they own it. The State had no say in the matter because the State has no ownership in Cutler.[/size][/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]There are other examples. Utah does not have any ownership or control over recreational use of Strawberry other than the boats used there must comply with State regulation as to registration, safety, etc. They also set fishing regulations for it. There are lots of agreements between the Feds and the State that make this work. But if the Feds (Forest Service) decided they wanted to limit the HP alowed for use on Strawberry, the State would be powerless to prevent it. The State only has control of those functions at Strawberry that the Forest Service allows them to control.[/size][/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]I am not aware of a permanent Parks & Recs boat at either marina (Strawberry/Soldier Creek) like there is at every State Park. Do they occasionally tow a boat up there to check compliance? I would guess they do. But since I'm never there on weekends (I'm retired [
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Cutler has a HP restriction for use there. It was set by Pacific Power because they own it. The State had no say in the matter because the State has no ownership in Cutler.[/size][/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]There are other examples. Utah does not have any ownership or control over recreational use of Strawberry other than the boats used there must comply with State regulation as to registration, safety, etc. They also set fishing regulations for it. There are lots of agreements between the Feds and the State that make this work. But if the Feds (Forest Service) decided they wanted to limit the HP alowed for use on Strawberry, the State would be powerless to prevent it. The State only has control of those functions at Strawberry that the Forest Service allows them to control.[/size][/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]I am not aware of a permanent Parks & Recs boat at either marina (Strawberry/Soldier Creek) like there is at every State Park. Do they occasionally tow a boat up there to check compliance? I would guess they do. But since I'm never there on weekends (I'm retired [
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Bob Hicks, from Utah
I'm 83 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
"Free men do not ask permission to bear arms."
I'm 83 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
"Free men do not ask permission to bear arms."
