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[cool][#0000ff]There will be another carp seining session tomorrow west of the Spanish Fork River. Contact Reed Harris <[url "mailto:reedharris@utah.gov"]reedharris@utah.gov[/url]> for map or info.[/#0000ff]
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Wednesday at !:00 pm we will be going out on the ice to watch Bill Loy and his crew remove carp from the Lake as part of the June Sucker Program's carp removal effort. Bill is just finishing a 1.2 million pound contract with our program and will be going straight into a 5 million pound contract funded by a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service grant which will go through December of 2010. The seine (net) fishes some 50 acres and catches a variety of fish including carp, white bass, walleye, catfish, and hopefully, June sucker. Carp are taken to a mink farm as food and the by-catch goes back into the lake. Last Monday a similar haul caught 5 June sucker, largemouth bass, walleye, perch, bluegill, catfish and white bass. If you have an interest, we will send you a map to the entrance of 4000 West, just west of the mouth of the Spanish Fork River.
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I wish I could go this time, But gotta get Ivan from school. If you go Pat be sure n take some pics of the other species that are netted. Thanks for the post Pat,
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[cool][#0000ff]Won't be able to make it myself but even though the notice was sudden I thought maybe some other folks might like to show up.[/#0000ff]
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I've seen enough already.[:p] I spent 2 days working for Bill Loy through a temp service. I was a dumb and unambitious kid at the time so I didn't last long. Working like a slave and going home with dried scales and slime all over me didn't meet my criteria back then. I was so tired at the end of the day that I kept accidentally pitching the egg sacks, which were being saved for another "special" purpose, in the gut bucket when we were cleaning the fish. Bill came unglued on me about it and cracked the whip until I had all I could stand. That line of work isn't for the faint of heart. The highlight of the whole ordeal was this single walleye we hauled in the net with some mud cats, a  looking channel cat, and two boat loads of carp....YUCK! The walleye was the largest I have ever seen in person and it looked like a torpedo with teeth. I almost grabbed it and swam for shore...almost. Of course, it had to go back in. I bet Bill enjoys knowing what a lot of us don't know about that lake. He might share a little of what he knows with someone who can stand some hard work and discipline. I personally want to keep fish in the recreation department. It will be interesting to see what comes up next in the net and I appreciate you taking the time to keep us up to date on times and locations.
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Sounds really interesting. I may take the kids and go see. Thanks for the heads up.
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sweet, i think they should open carp harvest up to anyone that wants to do it in any matter, might be kinda fun to try out, to bad there is so much politics involved the dumb warninings about pcb levels, the other government agencys in charge of food has different regulations that the pcb levels found in the utah lake would be about half the unacceptable levels of pcb, I say open bounty statewide on carp everything except lead ammo, my gosh there are so many lakes and rivers over run by those stupid things, why not let people make a quick buck while drastically improving the game fishing statewide?
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i would like to attend one soon, i cant attend tommorows but from the looks of it sounds like they will be doing it all the time?
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fishguru73, what is the special purpose the egg sacks were saved for? did they put them back in the water? or save them for caviar or someting?
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[quote Kjar]i would like to attend one soon, i cant attend tommorows but from the looks of it sounds like they will be doing it all the time?[/quote]
[cool][#0000ff]The seining through the ice can only be done when ice is thick enough to support the people and equipment necessary to do the work. As soon as warmer weather and/or winds start weakening the ice the winter seining will be over. However, they seine the carp with boats all during the rest of the year.[/#0000ff]
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I'm not certain what they were used for but caviar may have been the purpose at the time.
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My guess is they used them for cavier. In Japan I used to eat them about new years. They cure the eggs in the sack in a tight little bundle, then put some sort of sweet funky sause on them.
Surprisingly the damn things taste pretty good, kind of like a sweet pickled bunch of pop rocks.
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I had the day free so I went and checked it out. It was way cool! They were sorting the fish when I got there and there were a ton of carp, walleye, catfish, white bass, crappie and bluegill. I heard some of the workers talking and it sounded like they netted a lot more walleye than usual. There were a couple big ones that were over 7 lbs and had to be about 30" long and fat. One of them told me they netted about 6 june suckers too. I'm looking forward to a better fishery at Utah Lake in the near future and hoping to catch my first walleye there this spring. [cool] There was a camera man from KSL and the whole thing will be on the news tonight.
Here's a few pictures.
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Here is the link to the KSL video of this. Kinda get a rough idea of how they do it. I must say that is a dent in the population. but not near enough yet.
[url "http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9567765"]http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=9567765[/url]
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Man, the Laocean folks on that lake call me Mr. Crappie and I might be the most dangerous crappie fisherman in this state.... or the most lippy.[  ] It does my heart good to see the really healthy crappie in that net and the white bass are looking good too. The walleye were fat and that is really encouraging. Thanks for the post. I think that the sport fishing at UL is going to be great in years to come.[  ]
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It kinda makes me  to see those fish dying as a result of the netting. But I guess its for a good cause. I would love to catch eyes like those and the crappie as well. They all look especially healthy. More healthy than I would have expected. I wonder what they do with the game fish that die.
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Those walleye all go back into the lake and swim away for future catching. They're pretty quick about keeping them in water. They come out of the net, into buckets/troughs of water. Then they take them out with fish friendly gloves, weight and measure them, and put them back in the bucket to be released back into the lake. Not the same as if they had never been caught, but they do go back in. Now, the white bass are treated with a little less caution. [sly]
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I really hope the new 5 million pound contract along with TDs unique carp release methods help reduce the numbers, however remember these guys have been seiging carp for 2 generations at least both winter and summer. the first time I saw them was probaly close to 30 years ago on the ice south of Provo Boat harbor. I am sure with the infusion of federal money for the June sucker program they will step up efforts. In the meantime we should all study the professional manner in which TD releases carp and try to duplicate as often as possible[sly]
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I agree. Personally, I get some strange fascination out of playing carp catch and release. I keep ruining good knives though...
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the way i used to deal with that was a simple 16 step process, behold!!!:
1. catch a carp
2. rejoice and drink a beer
3. land the carp
4. rejoice and drink a beer
5. open knife blade/remove from sheath
6. rejoice and drink a beer
7. stick buisness end of knife under the gill plates of said carp
8. rejoice and drink a beer
9. slowly start to cut gills, preferably in the dead center of their mass
10. rejoice and drink a beer
11. remove knife from gills
12. rejoice and drink a beer
13. stick knife in other gills and slice gills also
14. rejoice and drink a beer
15. release carp back into the water, he will swim away back to the bottom and die there
16. rejoice and drink a beer
by now you have not only done your part, but since this process should take no more then a few moments you should be good and sauced... if you have not managed to remove one of your own fingers.... rejoice and drink a beer, rinse and repeat
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Whoa man... gather your facts before you make an assertion. Every fish that isn't a carp get's released alive and dead fish weren't something I witnessed in 4 hauls over the 2 days Bill cracked the whip on me. Mortality in a gill net is the product of starvation and Bill Loy doesn't leave the nets in the water any longer than it takes to get the thing in and then pull it up. The carp are so thick that it isn't an all day process to haul a big load. It's more about location. Man if you saw how fast he rounds up carp it would turn your stomach.[:p]
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