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If there are no good sources for clean muske, would their be problems with planting pike in Pineview?
Also, would it be possible(without causing problems) to plant pike in one or more of our other Northern lakes such as East Canyon, Hyrum, Echo, Rockport, or even Matua?
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They breed very well, and can take over a body of water. Tiger Musky are hybrid, and don't breed.
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Good point on the breeding problem. I know you can sterilize rainbows like they do for Da Berry. Is there a way to sterilize a fish like a pike?
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as has been stated in the other post's.. pike breed like rabbits.. you would not get big pike like you are getting tiger musky.. why becouse right now there are not that meny tigers in pineview.. there for the one's that are in there get very big! you put 100 times that meny in there you will have a whole bunch of skinny pike that have eatten everything in the lake.. well ok it might take 15 or 20 years for that to happen but it will happen.. after that what do ya do? there is no predator on this earth that target pike! other than man..
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I'm sure there is a way to sterilize pike but in the past the DWR hasn't been involved in sterilizing fish other than trout, they buy them from another source then plant them. I don't know where they would buy sterilized pike but it is likely the same folks that supply the musky would also have pike. I'm thinking that might be a problem but who knows. For now the DWR seems to be committed to musky but who knows what the future holds if they can't find a new source of them. WH2
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They aren't sterilzing the Tiger musky- they are a Hybrid.
Pike in the wrong waters are just that- wrong.
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tiger musky are just like tiger trout.. insted brown and brookie it's a cross of musky and pike.. they are steril from the get go.. inless ya put the 2 together in the same water there is no way thay could bread.. well i dont think they could anyway but who knows..
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Are the pike causing problems in Yuba Res. to the point they wish they had not planted them there or were they bucket bio. planted?
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the pike were not planted in Yuba they moved down the sever river from redmonds... and there is the best example of why pike should not be planted..
look at redmond when the pike first showed up in there. (there is conflicting stories on how they got there) but when they first showed up they did great! they got big fat in the 10 to 20 lbs range.. nice fish! that was as big as they ever got and now after they have ate most all the food out of there you can go down and catch 1 to 3 lbs pike all day long.. maybe ya just might get lucky and catch a wopper of 6 lbs.. but it's been a long time that i have seen any that big come out of there..
yuba in the past has been diffrent than redmonds.. in the past there were just never that meny pike in yuba.. tell the big drow down... i think the walleye in yuba were keeping the pike in check i have no proof of that just what i think.. but the tables have turned i think.. there are more pike in yuba now then ever before.. only time will tell if it go's the way of redmond or stay's a blue ribben pike fishery...
my money is on the pike cleening it out!
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[#500000]Didn't they say they were going to try and breed tigers in a pond in west Ogden?[/#500000]
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the only thing i have heard on the matter is the Utah DWR was going to use the pike in recaptur and try and find some Diesease free musky to use for the crossing... i have no idea where they are going to keep them..
but knowing how fast they do anything it may never come to pass.. [:/]
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I agree, no more Trout is just a start.
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My own thoughts are this,the pike in Yuba is what made it crash,you have two predators that breed like rabbits and the pike have the upper hand this time,the walleye may never come back like it was years ago,the perch have no chance until we all keep all the pike and walleye that we possiablly can out of yuba for years to come,we need to up the limit on walleye also I think.and the pike need to be kept and killed by all fisherman that catch them.Like fuzzy said they breed like rabbits there is no way to control them from eating every thing in a lake including there young.Keep all the pike you catch guys it will help yuba.
That is my two cents.
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Have you ever talked to any of the people who studies pike????
You should before you make the post you have, pike will keep walleye from over spawning and will eat walleye and carp before they go after the perch...
Is this a Utah thing to try to kill thing you don't under stand???
If a food source is in place all fish will do fine, to kill every thing just to put trout in a lake is dumm...
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well i'm not agenst or for killing the pike.. i realy dont think there are that many being cought in yuba to realy make much of a diffrence one way or the other.. fishermen realy dont make a big diffrence in the numbers of fish like that. .01% maybe at best.
i realy dont think the crash of yuba was coused by anything more then the lack of water in the drout years. and i would put money on the carp being more at fault than any other spices in yuba for finishing what little cover there might be left when the water drops like it does there.. and the carp in yuba well eat the fry of all the other fish.. and are the biggest % of biomass in the lake.. get the carp out and there would be a great inprovment in the system as a whole!
i do agree with ya that the pike now have the upper hand.. and i realy think fish like pike and walleye instinctley know when other fish are a thret to them and target there fry to eliminate the thret.. as you say the eye's may never return to the good old day's.. only time will tell..
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Everything I have read points to perch being the pikes main forage along with carp and shiners, they will eat walleye and even other pike. I think to say they will keep walleye from over populating is incorrect. The perch will be the ones to go first, then carp, then with nothing else to eat you end up with Redmond part 2, stunted fish. Pineveiw would do great with pike for a few years then end up the same way with a bunch of stunted fish, remember the crappie before the muskies?
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Yubas big problem is cover.If there is no cover for the fry to survive then they get eaten.All the perch i have caught the last few weeks have had bellies full of perch fry.I bet the carp and pike and the few walleyes have been targeting them too.If there is no cover the perch fry to hide they are going to disappear because of cannibalism .The fatheads were all eaten by the perch as were the 80,000 tiger trouts that were planted there.I have not heard of anyone catching at least one tiger in there.Perch outnumber everyhting in that water even perch but when they eat their young there is no future for them.There needs to be more cover in deeper water so when they drain it like they have this year the fry have somewhere to hide and have a chance of getting big and reproducing.I dont but that pike and walleye make yuba crash happen in my opinion i beleive its the perch themselves because they eat everything that they can fit in their mouths. To bad they did not do something about it when yuba was drained .Yuba has no cover except for the shireline but when it gets low like now theres no where to hide!
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you said that right, cover, cover, cover is the whole part
of any lakes servivle, if the fry can't hide they get ate.
some of the lake in san deigo put in deep structure made of old broken cement pipes and made piles of them around the lakes. the cement will not rot away so it is there for many years. later chuck
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Its a fack of life the bigger you are the more you eat...(in fish)
The bigger fish have to eat bigger meals or (bigger fish) like walleye or carp or trout not the smaller perch...Yes the smaller pike will eat some of the perch until they reach around 16" to 18" , but the shape of walleye are more what the pike eat, why do you think the walleye have not come back yet like the DWR and others think they should have...
And pike eat pike when ever they can, but like I have said and others have said it takes 5 other food or feeder fish for each predator fish like the pike or bass or even bigger trout to keep in balance, on the food end + cover and water...
And with all the pike in Yuba this year why is only the walleye not showing up????
There seen to be lots of perch, but the trout and walleye are the ones not found...
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As long as you can see perch fry in the bigger perch the lake is doing very well...
Perch and other minnow type fish lay lots of eggs in fact they over lay on eggs so they will have lots to eat...
In winter or the rest of the year all smaller fish get eaten by the bigger fish its how they live and grow, in winter the excess die off and get eaten by the others and come spring it starts all over....Take away the excess and you get skinny bigger fish....
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