10-06-2013, 08:00 PM
[quote riverdog]Not all us voters voted for "short sale".[/quote]
True. Thanks, RiverDog!
On our fishing boards, the only clue of this and politics in general from me is me being RonPaulFan. But, here on this Off Topic Board, I restrain myself only until it becomes the conversation.
Still, the voters get the ultimate blame from my perspective because ultimately they are the ones with the power to decide*.
Which also means they have the power to correct all the problems they accept as being powerless to solve. This means it's the voters fault. We are to blame. Maybe I could have done more*.
As I type this, I'm listening to Rush Limbaugh saying polls tell us the vast majority of Americans are conservative and the people are more conservative than ever since 1933 and the Republican Party is 76% conservative yet the establishment (ruling class) of both parties along with complicit main stream media gets its way with their Republican In Name Only nominee for who appears on the ballot.
Sure, Romney was popular in Utah, but much less Republican registered voters voted in this election than even for the essentially Democrat we had as the McCain choice pushed onto us by the corrupt establishment faction that rules by even breaking their own rules to get their way. I personally know this because I saw it in person as I was there inside the Republican Nominating Convention and talked to thousands of Republican National Delegates to try to get them to nominate Ron Paul.
Yes, they were there as elected Republican National Delegates for Ron Paul, but their votes weren't counted and rules were broken in an establishment campaign to show "Party unity" that did NOT exist and was a fraud also passed on by complicit main stream media.
This is an actual quote from an otherwise very intelligent person: "If Ron Paul was so good, the news would tell us."
Though it's true that the voters generally default in choosing which candidates will appear on the ballot for the general election as I often hear, from using my vacation time for full-time door-to-door campaigning (evenings and weekends, too) for Ron Paul for the primary election, them say for the general election: "We don't have any good choices and have to vote for the lessor of two evils."
The primary election is where they had a good choice yet the real default is in allowing the Republican Party to be run by their minority establishment faction that through fraud and trickery generally get their way with their RINO being the Republican nominee and good choices are most often eliminated there, too.
Ron Paul survived that because of hard work and people getting involved within their Party, but just look up the news history of how rules were broken to defeat their majority in many cases yet they still prevailed and the voters had the Ron Paul choice on the primary ballot.
I suppose voters wanted their main stream media approved choice.
My conclusion continues to be the answer to the question asked here is it's the voters fault because they default on discussions with each other to fully participate in choosing who they get as candidates while they let a corrupt minority establishment faction decide for them and don't find alternatives to main stream media which can be themselves doing their homework to know their choices and opportunities to exercise their choices in ALL of the processes to determine candidates while they still have them instead of just being told their "top tier" candidates.
Sure, we each only have just one vote. I disagree with the common social view of not talking politics because as you can see by not doing our duty for us to make good choices, we get told what are our choices are by main stream media and mostly we listen to that instead of each other as we should.
* Our Founding Fathers and millions after them gave us all we need to keep our United States of America and pass it on to our posterity as they have for us and often at great personal sacrifices yet somehow our generation chooses to default on this by choosing not to even take the minor social risk of mere conversation as if we are supposed to divine the best candidates without discussion among us and only from main stream media bias.
That's crazy! From this default, we get what we voted to get which is fundamentally changing our United States of America to be more like the rest of the nations of the world and throwing away our "Five Thousand Year Leap" for not just us, but all future generations and the world as The New World Order of global governance fills the void WE are creating by voting our United States of America away because without us it can't happen, but with us imposing it, no nation has the power to resist.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0...Caps%2C870
* Though we each have only one vote, we also have as many votes as those we can convince to vote our way yet we mostly default on that part in favor of a newly established social norm of not discussing politics and instead listening to biased main stream media.
Reference: Preamble of our Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I see we are about to lose all we know and love (not just fishing on federally politically controlled land that is ours), so I sign with my usual preparedness statement:
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True. Thanks, RiverDog!
On our fishing boards, the only clue of this and politics in general from me is me being RonPaulFan. But, here on this Off Topic Board, I restrain myself only until it becomes the conversation.
Still, the voters get the ultimate blame from my perspective because ultimately they are the ones with the power to decide*.
Which also means they have the power to correct all the problems they accept as being powerless to solve. This means it's the voters fault. We are to blame. Maybe I could have done more*.
As I type this, I'm listening to Rush Limbaugh saying polls tell us the vast majority of Americans are conservative and the people are more conservative than ever since 1933 and the Republican Party is 76% conservative yet the establishment (ruling class) of both parties along with complicit main stream media gets its way with their Republican In Name Only nominee for who appears on the ballot.
Sure, Romney was popular in Utah, but much less Republican registered voters voted in this election than even for the essentially Democrat we had as the McCain choice pushed onto us by the corrupt establishment faction that rules by even breaking their own rules to get their way. I personally know this because I saw it in person as I was there inside the Republican Nominating Convention and talked to thousands of Republican National Delegates to try to get them to nominate Ron Paul.
Yes, they were there as elected Republican National Delegates for Ron Paul, but their votes weren't counted and rules were broken in an establishment campaign to show "Party unity" that did NOT exist and was a fraud also passed on by complicit main stream media.
This is an actual quote from an otherwise very intelligent person: "If Ron Paul was so good, the news would tell us."
Though it's true that the voters generally default in choosing which candidates will appear on the ballot for the general election as I often hear, from using my vacation time for full-time door-to-door campaigning (evenings and weekends, too) for Ron Paul for the primary election, them say for the general election: "We don't have any good choices and have to vote for the lessor of two evils."
The primary election is where they had a good choice yet the real default is in allowing the Republican Party to be run by their minority establishment faction that through fraud and trickery generally get their way with their RINO being the Republican nominee and good choices are most often eliminated there, too.
Ron Paul survived that because of hard work and people getting involved within their Party, but just look up the news history of how rules were broken to defeat their majority in many cases yet they still prevailed and the voters had the Ron Paul choice on the primary ballot.
I suppose voters wanted their main stream media approved choice.
My conclusion continues to be the answer to the question asked here is it's the voters fault because they default on discussions with each other to fully participate in choosing who they get as candidates while they let a corrupt minority establishment faction decide for them and don't find alternatives to main stream media which can be themselves doing their homework to know their choices and opportunities to exercise their choices in ALL of the processes to determine candidates while they still have them instead of just being told their "top tier" candidates.
Sure, we each only have just one vote. I disagree with the common social view of not talking politics because as you can see by not doing our duty for us to make good choices, we get told what are our choices are by main stream media and mostly we listen to that instead of each other as we should.
* Our Founding Fathers and millions after them gave us all we need to keep our United States of America and pass it on to our posterity as they have for us and often at great personal sacrifices yet somehow our generation chooses to default on this by choosing not to even take the minor social risk of mere conversation as if we are supposed to divine the best candidates without discussion among us and only from main stream media bias.
That's crazy! From this default, we get what we voted to get which is fundamentally changing our United States of America to be more like the rest of the nations of the world and throwing away our "Five Thousand Year Leap" for not just us, but all future generations and the world as The New World Order of global governance fills the void WE are creating by voting our United States of America away because without us it can't happen, but with us imposing it, no nation has the power to resist.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0...Caps%2C870
* Though we each have only one vote, we also have as many votes as those we can convince to vote our way yet we mostly default on that part in favor of a newly established social norm of not discussing politics and instead listening to biased main stream media.
Reference: Preamble of our Constitution:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I see we are about to lose all we know and love (not just fishing on federally politically controlled land that is ours), so I sign with my usual preparedness statement:
[signature]