12-18-2006, 08:52 PM
since my last post more info has come to light.
the caves was one thay they constructed them selves.
now things have become bleeker for the two climbers. the sherif has come up with the posibility that the other two climbers may have walked off a steep end.
this report came out an hour ago.
as a hunter, I have found in nature that during major storms holeing up is what all animals do to servive. even deer elk and buffalo huddle togther and stay put to ride out the storm. I have walked up on them litterly not moving for any thing including me.
even in known terrain people get lost and die. this happened in my neighbor hood just a couple winters ago. my neighbor took a short cut through a park half mile wide one mile long, roads on three sides 8 foot chain link fence on the other. A 15 minute hike on a good day, but the one night on his little hike he has taken hundreds of times from his girl friends house to his he got lost, had no protective clothing from the eliments.
the strom lasted for 6 hours with white out condtions compounded by dark, my other nieghbor found him the following morning on his morning hike though the woods. Total snow fall was only 10 inches.
now you take something with white out conditions like they had up on the mountain compounded with unknown terrain. the thought of splitting up leads me to beleive you are absolutley right in that these men were nothing but weekend wariors.
I meaning no disrespect to the climbers and families, It is a tragity, My intentions are that it is my hopes some one else who stumbles across this topic takes to heart the seriousness of the situation, long before ever setting out.
When I was reading your post about the man who left his family in the car, the same thought prossess aplied to the men on the mountain. No pre planning, no letting others know which path they took, no provisions other than they needed for a couple hour hike. No weather band radio, no using the phone to check weather forcast. no looking at long range weather forcast.
yes it is true we get hammered all the time by storms that are unprodicted. but we usualy know when the conditions are favorable for such storms by looking at long range forcast.
I emagine they did not even have a flair gun, Granted that would have been of little use while the storm was in full force.
I wondered if they had heat packs, simply placing one of those in the chest area of your cloathing not next to the skin even for an hour at a time between several people can make all the differance between servival of a cold night.
there is cirtainly a big differance between a hiker, rock climber and a mountain climber.
I remember grandpa telling me as we get smarter we get dumber. (as a poeple) this was 30 years ago, the more tecnology to our disposal leads us to beleive that is all we need to sruvive in this world.
Tecnology is only a convieniance, can supliment in search and rescue efforts. I agree that is no substitute for planing, prepairing, and exicuting. Failure in any one of these three things can lead to dire results.
for any one wanting to take up mountain climbing I realy suggest they watch the climb of mount everest. It dosnt give all the answers to what you need but it dose tell you that with all the skill of experienced climbers, all the supplies in the world and technology of todays sience at your disposal, people die there almost every other year making that climb, they travel in large groups, few if any make it to the top if any each year.
those who die there are never retreived, unless they die in camp. atempting to retreive a body off the steep incline is far to dangerous for any one to attempt so the bodies remain as a monument to future climbers in that respect is not only nessisary but is demanded of every one making the chalanges against mountain and nature.
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the caves was one thay they constructed them selves.
now things have become bleeker for the two climbers. the sherif has come up with the posibility that the other two climbers may have walked off a steep end.
this report came out an hour ago.
as a hunter, I have found in nature that during major storms holeing up is what all animals do to servive. even deer elk and buffalo huddle togther and stay put to ride out the storm. I have walked up on them litterly not moving for any thing including me.
even in known terrain people get lost and die. this happened in my neighbor hood just a couple winters ago. my neighbor took a short cut through a park half mile wide one mile long, roads on three sides 8 foot chain link fence on the other. A 15 minute hike on a good day, but the one night on his little hike he has taken hundreds of times from his girl friends house to his he got lost, had no protective clothing from the eliments.
the strom lasted for 6 hours with white out condtions compounded by dark, my other nieghbor found him the following morning on his morning hike though the woods. Total snow fall was only 10 inches.
now you take something with white out conditions like they had up on the mountain compounded with unknown terrain. the thought of splitting up leads me to beleive you are absolutley right in that these men were nothing but weekend wariors.
I meaning no disrespect to the climbers and families, It is a tragity, My intentions are that it is my hopes some one else who stumbles across this topic takes to heart the seriousness of the situation, long before ever setting out.
When I was reading your post about the man who left his family in the car, the same thought prossess aplied to the men on the mountain. No pre planning, no letting others know which path they took, no provisions other than they needed for a couple hour hike. No weather band radio, no using the phone to check weather forcast. no looking at long range weather forcast.
yes it is true we get hammered all the time by storms that are unprodicted. but we usualy know when the conditions are favorable for such storms by looking at long range forcast.
I emagine they did not even have a flair gun, Granted that would have been of little use while the storm was in full force.
I wondered if they had heat packs, simply placing one of those in the chest area of your cloathing not next to the skin even for an hour at a time between several people can make all the differance between servival of a cold night.
there is cirtainly a big differance between a hiker, rock climber and a mountain climber.
I remember grandpa telling me as we get smarter we get dumber. (as a poeple) this was 30 years ago, the more tecnology to our disposal leads us to beleive that is all we need to sruvive in this world.
Tecnology is only a convieniance, can supliment in search and rescue efforts. I agree that is no substitute for planing, prepairing, and exicuting. Failure in any one of these three things can lead to dire results.
for any one wanting to take up mountain climbing I realy suggest they watch the climb of mount everest. It dosnt give all the answers to what you need but it dose tell you that with all the skill of experienced climbers, all the supplies in the world and technology of todays sience at your disposal, people die there almost every other year making that climb, they travel in large groups, few if any make it to the top if any each year.
those who die there are never retreived, unless they die in camp. atempting to retreive a body off the steep incline is far to dangerous for any one to attempt so the bodies remain as a monument to future climbers in that respect is not only nessisary but is demanded of every one making the chalanges against mountain and nature.
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