04-30-2006, 01:04 AM
here is one that you will find imposible to beleive but is absolutly true.
the wolf and the killer shark share a common ancestor. No not a water animal but a land walking wolf like creature. About two to three times the size of a wolf.
this eating fish thing is a recent study mostly in the last 5 years so the info hasnt been fully released just yet. the study was done in origon and washington.
I do agree there is something wrong. For a hundred sheep beeing killed on a single farm I would be inclined to be sitting out there with a vidio camera filming the animal killing the sheep. that is about one every three days. so catcing one on film would not be difficult. trapping one in a pen trying to eat a sheep is even easier.
during the time of old groth trees deer was not the primary bovine nor was moose, the moose died off when the army corps of ingeners draind hundreds of millions of acres of swamp. moose may bear young on the high lands but feed primarily on swamp plants.
Elk was the primary bovine that lived across the north amreican contanant. there were more elk then there were buffallo. Elk was the primary food of settlers.
I learned about the elk and white tail deer during that time when I pulled an elk permit and had to sit though a day long class before we could walk out in the woods.
I will see if I can find the study report. I saw the documentary that came out a couple years ago. If you can get a piture of a wolf eating a fish you will accomplish something no one has yet to be able to do.
the wolves eat the heads and stomach of the fish after dragging them off in to the woods.
It is true that a wolf will eat fox and cats and any small dog that resembles in size of a fox. the high pitch barking is a calling card. feeding your pets out side is also a calling card.
I will further agree that if it is a wolf killing the sheep and not the neighbors rotwiler or pit or doberman it is a domesticated wolf that was trained to kill in an unatural setting by man which makes it a semi domesticated animal.
this is also true that wolves realy have no fear of man, over the last hundred thousand years wolves have hunted along side and or behind man cleaning up behind them. that is how they became domesticated in the first place. the dogs we have today are thousands of years of cross and line breading, and some breeds are just recently developed in the last 50-75 years. and breaders are trying to make new breeds all the time.
I have a cyote coming in my yard from time to time. it gives me no problems. My dog is in a kennel when it is not in the house or with me out side. me and the dog have walked up on it in the park across the street. scairing the day lights out of him.
every one who sees my dog asks me if it is a white or grey wolf. so it is easy to see some one confuse a pack of huskies or mallimutes for a pack of wolves.
I had chickens on my farm being killed on a daily bases. I called the pound and they told me it was a fox. I called the dnr and they said if I caught it they would take care of it. "meaning they would destroy it, not release it any where else because once it has a taist for something they will always seek it out no matter where it is released.
one day I did my usual ruteen, then drove a mile down the road and came back though the woods only to find my neighbors dog killing my chickens. I caught the dog, took it to the pound and never had another chicken killing insodent.
I did not for one minute believe it was a fox, for when I find several dead birds not eaten that tells me it is not a wild animal feeding, that is a domesticated killer. only domesticated animals kill for sport. "my opinion" this includes cats.
with a vidio camera or a motion sensor camera showing a sheep in a wolves mouth then there is no longer an argument of what is the culpret. There is no doubt there is a problem animal on your hand and it needs to be delt with.
I will also go further to say it is iresponcible to leave a small pet like a puppy or small breed of dog or a small child un attended under most any situation in most every environment. even down here in the detroit area, Birds have been seen flying away with small dogs and cats. (eagles hawks and owls).
in central park of new york city a red tail hawk has recently developed a taist for small dogs. This is no joke.
our would is a wilderness weather we like it or not. we have to learn to respect it, and as time is proving we will have to re-learn to live with it.
if the sheep were mine and I faced loosing a hundred head a year I could cirtainly see justification in buying a couple three bovia pups and raise them with baby sheep and turn them loose in the feilds to watch over the sheep.
there is one method of preventitive measures you can take but the wife and neighbors may think you are a little strange. this is to go about twenty yards out side the the yard perimiter and personaly water the trees. this dose work, you confuse wolves and other dogs in to thinking there is a predominate animal in the area.
might be a little rough to do around a pen full of sheep, unless you pick up a couple cases of beer...LOL
I promiced you links, here they are.. hope this helps, I have provided both sides of the story....
[#800080]Wolves:: - Hunting[/#800080]
A study of moose kills by wolves on Michigan's Isle Royale found that most were either very young or ... Wolves fish too, eating salmon, arctic grayling, and whitefish. Occasionally, they will eat insects ...
[url "http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.raincoast.org/proj-wolves/wolf-all.php?pageNum_rsWolvesRep=2&&DI=293&IG=9bf32ce7d72a47f4a34dc07ab6c6a750&POS=4&CM=WPU&CE=3&CS=AWP&SR=3"]Wolves - related documents[/url]
Find out about the salmon eating genetically unique rainforest wolves with Dr. ... Rainforest Wolf Project was initiated due to the unique opportunity to study
[url "http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.raincoast.org/publications/news/fishing_with_wolves.htm&&DI=293&IG=9bf32ce7d72a47f4a34dc07ab6c6a750&POS=5&CM=WPU&CE=4&CS=AWP&SR=4"]Fishing with wolves - Oct 2002[/url]
Until late last year scientists didn't know wolves ate salmon. Wolves ... He is conducting his study under the auspices of UVic biology ... so we're able to catch sight of them collecting and eating the ... [url "http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.raincoast.org/publications/report/2003-annual-report.pdf&&DI=293&IG=9bf32ce7d72a47f4a34dc07ab6c6a750&POS=6&CM=WPU&CE=5&CS=AWP&SR=5"]Tracking Raincoast into 2003[/url]
... Remains of pink salmon left behind by fishing wolves. Salmon ... The fish you’re eating may be “Farmed and ... The project is the first study of coastal mainland wolves and is pioneering the ...
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the wolf and the killer shark share a common ancestor. No not a water animal but a land walking wolf like creature. About two to three times the size of a wolf.
this eating fish thing is a recent study mostly in the last 5 years so the info hasnt been fully released just yet. the study was done in origon and washington.
I do agree there is something wrong. For a hundred sheep beeing killed on a single farm I would be inclined to be sitting out there with a vidio camera filming the animal killing the sheep. that is about one every three days. so catcing one on film would not be difficult. trapping one in a pen trying to eat a sheep is even easier.
during the time of old groth trees deer was not the primary bovine nor was moose, the moose died off when the army corps of ingeners draind hundreds of millions of acres of swamp. moose may bear young on the high lands but feed primarily on swamp plants.
Elk was the primary bovine that lived across the north amreican contanant. there were more elk then there were buffallo. Elk was the primary food of settlers.
I learned about the elk and white tail deer during that time when I pulled an elk permit and had to sit though a day long class before we could walk out in the woods.
I will see if I can find the study report. I saw the documentary that came out a couple years ago. If you can get a piture of a wolf eating a fish you will accomplish something no one has yet to be able to do.
the wolves eat the heads and stomach of the fish after dragging them off in to the woods.
It is true that a wolf will eat fox and cats and any small dog that resembles in size of a fox. the high pitch barking is a calling card. feeding your pets out side is also a calling card.
I will further agree that if it is a wolf killing the sheep and not the neighbors rotwiler or pit or doberman it is a domesticated wolf that was trained to kill in an unatural setting by man which makes it a semi domesticated animal.
this is also true that wolves realy have no fear of man, over the last hundred thousand years wolves have hunted along side and or behind man cleaning up behind them. that is how they became domesticated in the first place. the dogs we have today are thousands of years of cross and line breading, and some breeds are just recently developed in the last 50-75 years. and breaders are trying to make new breeds all the time.
I have a cyote coming in my yard from time to time. it gives me no problems. My dog is in a kennel when it is not in the house or with me out side. me and the dog have walked up on it in the park across the street. scairing the day lights out of him.
every one who sees my dog asks me if it is a white or grey wolf. so it is easy to see some one confuse a pack of huskies or mallimutes for a pack of wolves.
I had chickens on my farm being killed on a daily bases. I called the pound and they told me it was a fox. I called the dnr and they said if I caught it they would take care of it. "meaning they would destroy it, not release it any where else because once it has a taist for something they will always seek it out no matter where it is released.
one day I did my usual ruteen, then drove a mile down the road and came back though the woods only to find my neighbors dog killing my chickens. I caught the dog, took it to the pound and never had another chicken killing insodent.
I did not for one minute believe it was a fox, for when I find several dead birds not eaten that tells me it is not a wild animal feeding, that is a domesticated killer. only domesticated animals kill for sport. "my opinion" this includes cats.
with a vidio camera or a motion sensor camera showing a sheep in a wolves mouth then there is no longer an argument of what is the culpret. There is no doubt there is a problem animal on your hand and it needs to be delt with.
I will also go further to say it is iresponcible to leave a small pet like a puppy or small breed of dog or a small child un attended under most any situation in most every environment. even down here in the detroit area, Birds have been seen flying away with small dogs and cats. (eagles hawks and owls).
in central park of new york city a red tail hawk has recently developed a taist for small dogs. This is no joke.
our would is a wilderness weather we like it or not. we have to learn to respect it, and as time is proving we will have to re-learn to live with it.
if the sheep were mine and I faced loosing a hundred head a year I could cirtainly see justification in buying a couple three bovia pups and raise them with baby sheep and turn them loose in the feilds to watch over the sheep.
there is one method of preventitive measures you can take but the wife and neighbors may think you are a little strange. this is to go about twenty yards out side the the yard perimiter and personaly water the trees. this dose work, you confuse wolves and other dogs in to thinking there is a predominate animal in the area.
might be a little rough to do around a pen full of sheep, unless you pick up a couple cases of beer...LOL
I promiced you links, here they are.. hope this helps, I have provided both sides of the story....
[#800080]Wolves:: - Hunting[/#800080]
A study of moose kills by wolves on Michigan's Isle Royale found that most were either very young or ... Wolves fish too, eating salmon, arctic grayling, and whitefish. Occasionally, they will eat insects ...
[url "http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.raincoast.org/proj-wolves/wolf-all.php?pageNum_rsWolvesRep=2&&DI=293&IG=9bf32ce7d72a47f4a34dc07ab6c6a750&POS=4&CM=WPU&CE=3&CS=AWP&SR=3"]Wolves - related documents[/url]
Find out about the salmon eating genetically unique rainforest wolves with Dr. ... Rainforest Wolf Project was initiated due to the unique opportunity to study
[url "http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.raincoast.org/publications/news/fishing_with_wolves.htm&&DI=293&IG=9bf32ce7d72a47f4a34dc07ab6c6a750&POS=5&CM=WPU&CE=4&CS=AWP&SR=4"]Fishing with wolves - Oct 2002[/url]
Until late last year scientists didn't know wolves ate salmon. Wolves ... He is conducting his study under the auspices of UVic biology ... so we're able to catch sight of them collecting and eating the ... [url "http://g.msn.com/9SE/1?http://www.raincoast.org/publications/report/2003-annual-report.pdf&&DI=293&IG=9bf32ce7d72a47f4a34dc07ab6c6a750&POS=6&CM=WPU&CE=5&CS=AWP&SR=5"]Tracking Raincoast into 2003[/url]
... Remains of pink salmon left behind by fishing wolves. Salmon ... The fish you’re eating may be “Farmed and ... The project is the first study of coastal mainland wolves and is pioneering the ...
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