11-10-2005, 03:23 PM
Utah dave,
first let me say in response to this,
"[size 1]I saw the post that got pbh banned months ago and I thought that was a little harsh.[/size][size 2]"[/size]
If you think PBH got banned for one single post you have obviously bought into his attempt to decive.
The fact is there was no single post that got him banned so your statement that you saw the post in incorrect.
Second, in reponse to this,
"[size 1]I personally would like to see the moderators of this board take a much stronger stand on the issue.[/size][size 2]"[/size]
It appears you do not understand my responsibilites here as a moderator. I get PM's all day long from people who want me to do this and that. The list of things people want is so long I would have to be a full time employee to even come close to managing it all.
So heres the real scenario for you.
Anytime I lock a post, or delete it I get a stack of PM's from people kicking my butt for taking away thier right o free speech or squashing what they felt was valid and important.
So lets say I lock the post or delete the post of people who post things dealing with illegal fish transplanting.
Now I have taken away the ability for people to respond in a CONSTRUCTIVE MANNER and have taken away the opportuinty for someone to educate the individual about the issue. Plus I have taken away thier "right to free speech" as they call it in thier PM's.
So i leave it there for people to learn with. But the stupid people are the only ones who reply, the hepworth family goes banana's and gets way out of control.
So, now I am getting pms about the abuse some are dishing out, then they get thier friends involved and really cause a problem.
So you tell me, am I supposed to hide the issue by deleting it? Am I supposed to let the issue be delat with by people in a respectful manner? Or, am I supposed to do the one thing I am actually supposed to do and stop the abuseive behavior?
I tell you this, its real easy to sit back and point fingers and say "you should do this or that" but its quite a different story being on the other side of the coin.
understand my position, I do not encourage illegal activites, but as far as "[size 1]the moderators of this board take a much stronger stand on the issue[/size][size 2]"[/size]
the people who need to change where they stand is the people who choose to deal with the issue poorly.
Cant you agree that its best to educate in a constructive manner though the forum rather than over agressive name calling, loud and unruly bashing of people, and abuse?
If you think I need to take a different stand, I issue you this challenge, you do it.
You take the time to educate and constructivley help these people, after all its every bit as much your responsibility to help as it is mine. My job here is to eliminate abusive users. its too bad they refuse to be a positive influence here but PBH has been around for years and has been banned many times for abusing others. He has proven to be a destructive influnece so no matter how much you think pointing fingers at me or other moderators is justified, maybee you ought to look into history and see that theres two sides to this coin.
You showed up here and started making your claims and expectations, but realize this, the only reason there are many DWR employees who cannot view this site any longer is because of people like PBH. The reason people like you have the opportunity to help others is beacuse of me.
I think you are on the wrong side.
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first let me say in response to this,
"[size 1]I saw the post that got pbh banned months ago and I thought that was a little harsh.[/size][size 2]"[/size]
If you think PBH got banned for one single post you have obviously bought into his attempt to decive.
The fact is there was no single post that got him banned so your statement that you saw the post in incorrect.
Second, in reponse to this,
"[size 1]I personally would like to see the moderators of this board take a much stronger stand on the issue.[/size][size 2]"[/size]
It appears you do not understand my responsibilites here as a moderator. I get PM's all day long from people who want me to do this and that. The list of things people want is so long I would have to be a full time employee to even come close to managing it all.
So heres the real scenario for you.
Anytime I lock a post, or delete it I get a stack of PM's from people kicking my butt for taking away thier right o free speech or squashing what they felt was valid and important.
So lets say I lock the post or delete the post of people who post things dealing with illegal fish transplanting.
Now I have taken away the ability for people to respond in a CONSTRUCTIVE MANNER and have taken away the opportuinty for someone to educate the individual about the issue. Plus I have taken away thier "right to free speech" as they call it in thier PM's.
So i leave it there for people to learn with. But the stupid people are the only ones who reply, the hepworth family goes banana's and gets way out of control.
So, now I am getting pms about the abuse some are dishing out, then they get thier friends involved and really cause a problem.
So you tell me, am I supposed to hide the issue by deleting it? Am I supposed to let the issue be delat with by people in a respectful manner? Or, am I supposed to do the one thing I am actually supposed to do and stop the abuseive behavior?
I tell you this, its real easy to sit back and point fingers and say "you should do this or that" but its quite a different story being on the other side of the coin.
understand my position, I do not encourage illegal activites, but as far as "[size 1]the moderators of this board take a much stronger stand on the issue[/size][size 2]"[/size]
the people who need to change where they stand is the people who choose to deal with the issue poorly.
Cant you agree that its best to educate in a constructive manner though the forum rather than over agressive name calling, loud and unruly bashing of people, and abuse?
If you think I need to take a different stand, I issue you this challenge, you do it.
You take the time to educate and constructivley help these people, after all its every bit as much your responsibility to help as it is mine. My job here is to eliminate abusive users. its too bad they refuse to be a positive influence here but PBH has been around for years and has been banned many times for abusing others. He has proven to be a destructive influnece so no matter how much you think pointing fingers at me or other moderators is justified, maybee you ought to look into history and see that theres two sides to this coin.
You showed up here and started making your claims and expectations, but realize this, the only reason there are many DWR employees who cannot view this site any longer is because of people like PBH. The reason people like you have the opportunity to help others is beacuse of me.
I think you are on the wrong side.
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