11-03-2019, 01:42 PM
[quote gaardvark]My parents started running the Green when I was 11. We/they have been running rivers for decades since then, but in spite of my arguments, fishing has never been a primary focus of the trips; instead, they try to get permits at the peak of runoff so the rapids and challenges will be greater.
I'm curious how the rapids were when the water is that low and clear? Hells Half Mile, Upper Disaster Falls, Lower Disaster Falls, and Triplet are all rapids we generally pull off to scout through Lodore Canyon. With the lower water and kids, do you still need to take the time to scout them?[/quote]
The kids are gone now the fams took out at swinging bridge
At this point it is Ben and I
Scouted em all almost always do
The river journals of Haldane "buzz" Holmstrom solo journey down the green and Colorado in '37 and again with a crew in '38 are transcribed in the book
Every Rapid Speaks Plainly
which sums it up pretty well its rarely the same speech
its not an easy read both the book and rapids sometimes
well its is easier for me as I write in his chix scratch stream of consciences style [
ing carp emoji inserted here]
his biography The Doing Of The Thing is a great read
As is the" Emerald Mile" if you want to read a really good whitewater story
with the history of the sport and gc damn
While high flows/water will make the rapids greater and high flows and water will definitely make consequences greater, often they are more challenging at lower flows.
Where more rocks and obstacles are exposed as opposed to large wave trains
where you probably wont hit anything but water and if you can keep em straight and perpendicular with momentum and not taco the rubber youll probably be fine
and some rapids wash out and become easier.
On the "A" or first 8 miles the largest wave trains occur at dripping springs at high flows where as at most normal under 4kcfs flows its not even a class 1.
When I started guiding all clients portaged red creek and flow dependent
most ran right as left was doable but you were gonna leave some glass on the rocks or wood splinters or ring the umhw bottom coated aluminum bell.
right you could easily run cleaner but the consequences of ending up on the dragons tooth or hole behind are large and quite unforgiving
Once they decided to recreate historic spring flows and run full dam release
and both bypass tunnels and wash a lot of boardwalk downstream, rocks got moved and left channel is now less challenging most go that way and very few portage their dudes these days.
So id tend to say the challenges are different at different flows more so than greater.
Its a tailwater and the flows change according to discharge which starts at the dam and takes time to move down stream.
on this trip the flows were fluctuating between 1k and 2k I believe
2 seasons ago we launched ladore in late july and they were 2k - 3k cfs.
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I'm curious how the rapids were when the water is that low and clear? Hells Half Mile, Upper Disaster Falls, Lower Disaster Falls, and Triplet are all rapids we generally pull off to scout through Lodore Canyon. With the lower water and kids, do you still need to take the time to scout them?[/quote]
The kids are gone now the fams took out at swinging bridge
At this point it is Ben and I
Scouted em all almost always do
The river journals of Haldane "buzz" Holmstrom solo journey down the green and Colorado in '37 and again with a crew in '38 are transcribed in the book
Every Rapid Speaks Plainly
which sums it up pretty well its rarely the same speech
its not an easy read both the book and rapids sometimes
well its is easier for me as I write in his chix scratch stream of consciences style [
ing carp emoji inserted here]his biography The Doing Of The Thing is a great read
As is the" Emerald Mile" if you want to read a really good whitewater story
with the history of the sport and gc damn
While high flows/water will make the rapids greater and high flows and water will definitely make consequences greater, often they are more challenging at lower flows.
Where more rocks and obstacles are exposed as opposed to large wave trains
where you probably wont hit anything but water and if you can keep em straight and perpendicular with momentum and not taco the rubber youll probably be fine
and some rapids wash out and become easier.
On the "A" or first 8 miles the largest wave trains occur at dripping springs at high flows where as at most normal under 4kcfs flows its not even a class 1.
When I started guiding all clients portaged red creek and flow dependent
most ran right as left was doable but you were gonna leave some glass on the rocks or wood splinters or ring the umhw bottom coated aluminum bell.
right you could easily run cleaner but the consequences of ending up on the dragons tooth or hole behind are large and quite unforgiving
Once they decided to recreate historic spring flows and run full dam release
and both bypass tunnels and wash a lot of boardwalk downstream, rocks got moved and left channel is now less challenging most go that way and very few portage their dudes these days.
So id tend to say the challenges are different at different flows more so than greater.
Its a tailwater and the flows change according to discharge which starts at the dam and takes time to move down stream.
on this trip the flows were fluctuating between 1k and 2k I believe
2 seasons ago we launched ladore in late july and they were 2k - 3k cfs.
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