08-20-2019, 02:16 AM
LOL, good one there. To me they should not have put that part in the rules under Porcupine, where it says See the East Fork Little Bear River, why would the two be listed together, does not seem too clear to me but I get where you and Bob are coming from. The bottom line is this, it should not be worded the way it is, when it says, " Porcupine Reservoir upstream to the headwaters", Porcupine Reservoir is the lake itself, it does not say "starting where the river enters the lake upstream". For the river below the lake it is clear, it says "From Porcupine Dam downstream to the Avon-
Paradise road', that is clear. The good news is I got a reply from Chris Penne, here is what he said.
"Good point. There's definitely some room for improvement here. One thing you've made me notice is that there are some inconsistencies in dates since there were some statewide kokanee salmon protection dates implemented in the guidebook a couple years ago. In the guidebook, kokanee salmon are now listed as separate from trout in the statewide daily limits table and there is an extra description with kokanee stating that "anglers may not possess kokanee salmon from Sept. 10 through Nov. 30". That doesn't cover the whole length of the spawn at Porcupine, but it covers most of it including the peak of the spawn. The statewide protection dates were put in place in an effort to standardize kokanee regulations and protections throughout the state. To still have protected dates listed for the East Fork of the Little Bear is redundant and may not even be necessary. Unless people think protecting that early part of the spawn is critical, my inclination is to get rid of the regulation on the East Fork of the Little Bear all together. I would think this would eliminate some confusion on the dates fish are protected. Having watched the kokanee in Porcupine for several years, it seems to me they are so high in numbers they probably don't need any extra protection compared to other populations in the state. Those are just my thoughts and I'm certainly open to other suggestions.
It was definitely saying the East Fork of the Little Bear was closed to fishing. I looked in an old guidebook from 2008 and it said the same thing even back then, so apparently that language hasn't changed. It never explicitly said Porcupine Reservoir was closed to fishing, but the wording wasn't great, so I can see how people might interpret it that way. I think the intent of those who wrote it must have been to use Porcupine Reservoir as a way to reference the river mouth in order to signify where the river starts above the reservoir. It definitely isn't a great description. I'm going to note our discussion and will bring it up when we are making edits for the next guidebook. As you're probably aware, it's the Wildlife Board that ultimately makes the rules and approves the language in the guidebook. That said, removing the East Fork of the Little Bear from the list of special regulations should be a pretty easy sell. Thanks for the feedback, and yes, feel free to post on BFT.
Chris"
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Paradise road', that is clear. The good news is I got a reply from Chris Penne, here is what he said.
"Good point. There's definitely some room for improvement here. One thing you've made me notice is that there are some inconsistencies in dates since there were some statewide kokanee salmon protection dates implemented in the guidebook a couple years ago. In the guidebook, kokanee salmon are now listed as separate from trout in the statewide daily limits table and there is an extra description with kokanee stating that "anglers may not possess kokanee salmon from Sept. 10 through Nov. 30". That doesn't cover the whole length of the spawn at Porcupine, but it covers most of it including the peak of the spawn. The statewide protection dates were put in place in an effort to standardize kokanee regulations and protections throughout the state. To still have protected dates listed for the East Fork of the Little Bear is redundant and may not even be necessary. Unless people think protecting that early part of the spawn is critical, my inclination is to get rid of the regulation on the East Fork of the Little Bear all together. I would think this would eliminate some confusion on the dates fish are protected. Having watched the kokanee in Porcupine for several years, it seems to me they are so high in numbers they probably don't need any extra protection compared to other populations in the state. Those are just my thoughts and I'm certainly open to other suggestions.
It was definitely saying the East Fork of the Little Bear was closed to fishing. I looked in an old guidebook from 2008 and it said the same thing even back then, so apparently that language hasn't changed. It never explicitly said Porcupine Reservoir was closed to fishing, but the wording wasn't great, so I can see how people might interpret it that way. I think the intent of those who wrote it must have been to use Porcupine Reservoir as a way to reference the river mouth in order to signify where the river starts above the reservoir. It definitely isn't a great description. I'm going to note our discussion and will bring it up when we are making edits for the next guidebook. As you're probably aware, it's the Wildlife Board that ultimately makes the rules and approves the language in the guidebook. That said, removing the East Fork of the Little Bear from the list of special regulations should be a pretty easy sell. Thanks for the feedback, and yes, feel free to post on BFT.
Chris"
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