05-21-2019, 07:19 PM
[quote PBH]I've addressed this numerous times. Budget is only a constraint when lack of planning comes into play. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Not true by any stretch of anybody's imagination. Budget is ALWAYS a constrait; ESPECIALLY when dealing with State Level agencies.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Certainly, if you fail to plan accordingly, you cannot make a purchase without a budget no matter the cost. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]We're talking about a State Agency here. And the way it works is the Agency REQUESTS a budget allocation based on what they would like to do (the Plan), the State approves adjusted budget levels and allocates the funds, then the Agency prioritizes/adjusts their 'To Do' list (their Plan) based on the budget they get.[/size][/#800000][/font]
However, through proper planning, a purchase can be made. Anyone that has to manage a budget has to go through the proper phases of planning and requesting money for projects. This isn't something that is just "all of a sudden" brought up. You don't go into a year without fiscal planning. Through proper planning you are able to secure funding for projects, including federal funding. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Again, wrong; purchases are made only AFTER the budget amount is allocated and the projects are adjusted and the list is prioritized to fit within the allocated budget. Funding is allocated beyond the Agency's control and they make adjustments on the budget they get. Proper planing on an Agency's part is not what gets the funds. The Legislature/Governor determine who gets funds and how much they get. Agency's planing skills have little if anything to do with that.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Another thing that HAS been discussed are the ramifications of NOT doing a project. How much more money may be lost due to NOT poisoning the reservoir for over 2o years? How much lost revenue due to a poor fishery? [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Those are NOT answerable questions by anybody posting on these forums. The very BEST you could hope for on this forum is a WAG.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Budget is NOT an excuse or a valid argument for not utilizing rotenone as a tool for managing a fishery. Sorry. That is not valid dubob. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]That is 100% bovine excreament of the highest odor and you know it.[/size][/#800000][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Having been involved in budgeting as an engineer for the DoD, I’m fairly certain that your analysis of the process is flawed. Based on over 15 years of experience in budgeting projects of up to $1.5 million, I stand behind my assertions and they ARE valid. You are free to disagree, but that doesn’t make you correct. I will comment no further on this subject as I’ve said what I wanted to say and no amount of discussion will ever change your mind on the subject. Tight lines to you in all your fishing adventures.[/size][/#800000][/font][/quote]
[quote kentofnsl]The current management plan was not created by the DWR; however, they definitely had input. A committee was formed and based upon the recommendation of the committee we have the current plan.
[url "http://www.castlecountryradio.com/2017/09/01/three-new-fish-species-to-be-stocked-into-scofield-reservoir/"]Link[/url][/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Yes, Kent, a committee WAS formed – by the DWR I've underlined the DWR players below. And there is no question that they definitely had an input.[/size][/#800000][/font]
[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]I haven’t found or seen any records of the committee meetings minutes where the discussions took place that would clearly show ALL considerations – including budget constraints – so that we might better understand the overall conclusions the committee reached. We do know that the plan addresses six management priorities that emerged from the group:[/size][/#800000][/font]
[ol][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Re-establish the family fishery, and make sure there are fish inthe reservoir that people can catch and keep.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Maintain and enhance trophy fishing opportunities.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Enhance the diversity of fishing opportunities by adding new fish species.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Reduce Utah chub numbers with a sustainable management model.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Increase fishing and recreational use at the reservoir.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Manage the reservoir in a way that’s compatible with the management of native fish species that live downstream.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][/ol]
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Certainly, if you fail to plan accordingly, you cannot make a purchase without a budget no matter the cost. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]We're talking about a State Agency here. And the way it works is the Agency REQUESTS a budget allocation based on what they would like to do (the Plan), the State approves adjusted budget levels and allocates the funds, then the Agency prioritizes/adjusts their 'To Do' list (their Plan) based on the budget they get.[/size][/#800000][/font]
However, through proper planning, a purchase can be made. Anyone that has to manage a budget has to go through the proper phases of planning and requesting money for projects. This isn't something that is just "all of a sudden" brought up. You don't go into a year without fiscal planning. Through proper planning you are able to secure funding for projects, including federal funding. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Again, wrong; purchases are made only AFTER the budget amount is allocated and the projects are adjusted and the list is prioritized to fit within the allocated budget. Funding is allocated beyond the Agency's control and they make adjustments on the budget they get. Proper planing on an Agency's part is not what gets the funds. The Legislature/Governor determine who gets funds and how much they get. Agency's planing skills have little if anything to do with that.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Another thing that HAS been discussed are the ramifications of NOT doing a project. How much more money may be lost due to NOT poisoning the reservoir for over 2o years? How much lost revenue due to a poor fishery? [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Those are NOT answerable questions by anybody posting on these forums. The very BEST you could hope for on this forum is a WAG.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Budget is NOT an excuse or a valid argument for not utilizing rotenone as a tool for managing a fishery. Sorry. That is not valid dubob. [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]That is 100% bovine excreament of the highest odor and you know it.[/size][/#800000][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Having been involved in budgeting as an engineer for the DoD, I’m fairly certain that your analysis of the process is flawed. Based on over 15 years of experience in budgeting projects of up to $1.5 million, I stand behind my assertions and they ARE valid. You are free to disagree, but that doesn’t make you correct. I will comment no further on this subject as I’ve said what I wanted to say and no amount of discussion will ever change your mind on the subject. Tight lines to you in all your fishing adventures.[/size][/#800000][/font][/quote]
[quote kentofnsl]The current management plan was not created by the DWR; however, they definitely had input. A committee was formed and based upon the recommendation of the committee we have the current plan.
[url "http://www.castlecountryradio.com/2017/09/01/three-new-fish-species-to-be-stocked-into-scofield-reservoir/"]Link[/url][/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Yes, Kent, a committee WAS formed – by the DWR I've underlined the DWR players below. And there is no question that they definitely had an input.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Quote:In fall 2016, the DWR conducted an online survey. The survey asked anglers what species they would like to pursue at Scofield and whether they would support another rotenone treatment. Responses from some 2,500 anglers across Utah revealed strong public support for introducing new species to the reservoir. Doing another rotenone treatment received mixed support.[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]It’s interesting to note that the responses from some 2,500 anglers across Utah revealed strong public support for introducing new species to the reservoir and doing another rotenone treatment only received mixed support. And yet, a couple of vocal BFT members are saying that the rotenone treatment is really what Utah anglers REALLY want.[/size][/#800000][/font]
Following the survey, aquatic managers organized a management committee.
The committee included biologists, Scofield residents and volunteers who took the survey. Several sportsmen organizations were also represented, including the state’s Blue Ribbon Fisheries Council, Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, the DWR’s Southeastern Regional Advisory Council, and the Utah Wildlife Board. The purpose of the committee was to develop a sport fish management plan that would provide the DWR with recommendations and direction to create a sustainable, high-quality fishery at Scofield.
[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]I haven’t found or seen any records of the committee meetings minutes where the discussions took place that would clearly show ALL considerations – including budget constraints – so that we might better understand the overall conclusions the committee reached. We do know that the plan addresses six management priorities that emerged from the group:[/size][/#800000][/font]
[ol][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Re-establish the family fishery, and make sure there are fish inthe reservoir that people can catch and keep.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Maintain and enhance trophy fishing opportunities.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Enhance the diversity of fishing opportunities by adding new fish species.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Reduce Utah chub numbers with a sustainable management model.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Increase fishing and recreational use at the reservoir.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Manage the reservoir in a way that’s compatible with the management of native fish species that live downstream.[/size][/#800000][/font][/li][/ol]
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Bob Hicks, from Utah
I'm 83 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
"Free men do not ask permission to bear arms."
I'm 83 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
"Free men do not ask permission to bear arms."