06-05-2018, 02:57 AM
Getting unstuck is best done before getting stuck by making wise choices.
I bought a good vehicle choice and then bought extra sets of wheels and sets of the best tires optomised for traction for various terrains since no one design does everything best.
Every characteristic of tires is a compromise and when you compromise with all of the attributes, each is less than what is possible. Most people go for good tread life for economy, but at the compromise of less traction. All of my tire choices have very poor tread life and a softer rubber that has best traction.
Of my off-road optomised sets, one set is for ice and snow and has done amazingly well this past winter and I've tested and proven them to have grip on ice and snow and even climbing at speed in a blizzard.
The other set is untested for soft sand that can be a challenge for even the experienced with vehicles good for that.
I have a theory that my tire choice will allow them to drive on top of the sand easily without sinking in and without creating ruts to constantly climb out as with the aggressive tread types which are effectively making a flat beach into work that's the same as driving uphill and using lots of power and always on the verge of being stuck.
That's the way it is for most with the problem being that it digs in more whenever the drag is greater than the traction and it's actually digging and climbing out of the ruts it digs all the time with being near the threshold of digging in too much and being stuck which will happen as soon as some conditions line up to make it more difficult like turns, inclines, towing and / or softer looser sand.
I'm looking to test my sand traction on some local sand near Sandy, Utah to gain experience and confidence to make for a better first surf fishing experience for when I take vacation time and want everything to work well.
Anyone know a good place to test them near me?
My theory is the key is to compress the sand for it to behave like a solid road surface instead of trying to have grip on the sand with aggressive mud tread which only makes the sand flow and exhibit it's fluid properties as sand has both properties.
Take two glasses, one in each hand, one with sand and one with water. Have a pan under each. Slowly tilt each to pour the contents into the pans. The water flows as a fluid and so does the sand almost exactly the same. They are both fluid.
Now, place the palms of your hands on top of the surface of each that is in the pans. The water only exhibits fluid properties and the flat palm of your hand goes to the bottom of the pan. But, the sand also has solid properties and under the compression of the flat palm of your hand, you can't compress the solid sand to push through it to the bottom of the pan. Now, with your fingers poking downward, push them onto the surface of the sand. Your fingertips will easily touch the bottom of the pan as the sand moves away like water.
Likewise, knobby tires which have excellent off-road traction on everything else, will be like your fingers causing the sand to flow and exhibit it's fluid properties.
That's fine for mud because under the slicker, slimy mud on top, there is firmer dirt below. But, for loose beach sand, below the surface is more of the same loose beach sand and you are digging in enough to use propulsion in the fluid that sand can become.
Given enough power, I see it works like a paddle wheel on a river boat (sand can have fluid properties like water and we know boats can go fast with propulsion in the water) that is used in sand drag races.
But, speed limits on the beaches for surf fishing are often only 25 MPH and the purpose for the driving on the sand for me is to facilitate surf fishing with optimization for not getting stuck rather than drag racing though I'm sure tread that makes sand exhibit it's solid properties under compression rather than it's fluid properties will still allow for very high speeds (for desolate beaches without the speed limit).
It's all theory now, but I'm ready to test it as I have the vehicle and the sand tires and surf fishing equipment. The main thing I don't have is experience as it will be my first surf fishing vacation.
Anyone here an experienced surf fisherman? Let's go surf fishing!
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I bought a good vehicle choice and then bought extra sets of wheels and sets of the best tires optomised for traction for various terrains since no one design does everything best.
Every characteristic of tires is a compromise and when you compromise with all of the attributes, each is less than what is possible. Most people go for good tread life for economy, but at the compromise of less traction. All of my tire choices have very poor tread life and a softer rubber that has best traction.
Of my off-road optomised sets, one set is for ice and snow and has done amazingly well this past winter and I've tested and proven them to have grip on ice and snow and even climbing at speed in a blizzard.
The other set is untested for soft sand that can be a challenge for even the experienced with vehicles good for that.
I have a theory that my tire choice will allow them to drive on top of the sand easily without sinking in and without creating ruts to constantly climb out as with the aggressive tread types which are effectively making a flat beach into work that's the same as driving uphill and using lots of power and always on the verge of being stuck.
That's the way it is for most with the problem being that it digs in more whenever the drag is greater than the traction and it's actually digging and climbing out of the ruts it digs all the time with being near the threshold of digging in too much and being stuck which will happen as soon as some conditions line up to make it more difficult like turns, inclines, towing and / or softer looser sand.
I'm looking to test my sand traction on some local sand near Sandy, Utah to gain experience and confidence to make for a better first surf fishing experience for when I take vacation time and want everything to work well.
Anyone know a good place to test them near me?
My theory is the key is to compress the sand for it to behave like a solid road surface instead of trying to have grip on the sand with aggressive mud tread which only makes the sand flow and exhibit it's fluid properties as sand has both properties.
Take two glasses, one in each hand, one with sand and one with water. Have a pan under each. Slowly tilt each to pour the contents into the pans. The water flows as a fluid and so does the sand almost exactly the same. They are both fluid.
Now, place the palms of your hands on top of the surface of each that is in the pans. The water only exhibits fluid properties and the flat palm of your hand goes to the bottom of the pan. But, the sand also has solid properties and under the compression of the flat palm of your hand, you can't compress the solid sand to push through it to the bottom of the pan. Now, with your fingers poking downward, push them onto the surface of the sand. Your fingertips will easily touch the bottom of the pan as the sand moves away like water.
Likewise, knobby tires which have excellent off-road traction on everything else, will be like your fingers causing the sand to flow and exhibit it's fluid properties.
That's fine for mud because under the slicker, slimy mud on top, there is firmer dirt below. But, for loose beach sand, below the surface is more of the same loose beach sand and you are digging in enough to use propulsion in the fluid that sand can become.
Given enough power, I see it works like a paddle wheel on a river boat (sand can have fluid properties like water and we know boats can go fast with propulsion in the water) that is used in sand drag races.
But, speed limits on the beaches for surf fishing are often only 25 MPH and the purpose for the driving on the sand for me is to facilitate surf fishing with optimization for not getting stuck rather than drag racing though I'm sure tread that makes sand exhibit it's solid properties under compression rather than it's fluid properties will still allow for very high speeds (for desolate beaches without the speed limit).
It's all theory now, but I'm ready to test it as I have the vehicle and the sand tires and surf fishing equipment. The main thing I don't have is experience as it will be my first surf fishing vacation.
Anyone here an experienced surf fisherman? Let's go surf fishing!
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