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Insect Repellant - smallmouth89 - 11-03-2010
No bugs to worry about now up here in Ontario, Canada but some kind of protection is standard in prime fishing season. I just found this posting on another forum.......
We had a customer ( a very experienced tuber) suffer a sudden and complete bladder failure while traversing the middle of a lake. This individual was forced to swim ashore with water filled waders and boots while holding their rod. Not a good situation to say the least.
The cause of the failure was a leaky bottle of insect repellent. The repellent appeared to have burned a large hole in the Urethane tube and heavily damaged the surrounding area.
The owners manual, if anyone read it, contains a warning about insect repellent, but it does not give any indication of the catastrophic outcome.
The best recommendation is not to carry insect repellent on the tube. If you feel you must carry repellent, do not put it in the pockets over the bladder.
While the users boat had a single bladder, the loss of air was so fast that one side that the user was dumped into the water before the other side had collapsed. In other words, had it been a 2 bladder design, the outcome would have been the same.
In short Float tubes are safe. But a little caution goes a long way.
I keep my repellant in the backrest pouch behind me on my Fat Cat but have had it in the pockets before. I do keep it in a sealed freezer bag. I definitely was not aware that the repellant could do this to a float tube.
God Bless,
Don
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - paledun - 11-03-2010
Great post. good information to know. I found out insect repelant is also hard on camera lens.
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - toadly - 11-03-2010
Very true! I found out the hard way that spray on replelant will eat the plastic on your cars interior. I kept my Tundras door open and sprayed on replelant before a Duck hunt, messed up the drivers side doors finish. Never thought of my toon.[shocked] Thanks for the info.
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - flygoddess - 11-03-2010
I have know for years it is not good around petroleum bass material. FLY LINE in particular. It is of course DEET that is the problem. There is other insect repellent that does not contain DEET, although it is probably the most proven.
Think about what it does to plastic.....and you are putting it on your skin and it is being absorbed into your body.
I look for more user friendly means. And those handhelds do a pretty go job.
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - BFVSFOREVER - 11-03-2010
I am going to try a few of these next year. Here in New York's Hudson Valley the mosquitoes are overpowering during the summer. I figure one clipped to me and one clipped to the tube behind me should work. Maybe???
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1873843/off_clipon_mosquito_repellent_product.html?cat=5
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Re: [BFVSFOREVER] Insect Repellant - flygoddess - 11-03-2010
They work! And you aren't going to be absorbing them!
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Re: [BFVSFOREVER] Insect Repellant - Hnaf - 11-03-2010
I've seen just as scary of info about these new things too such as this post from another forum.
Quote:My wife saw the cool commercials on TV for Off® brand Clip-On™ Mosquito repellent and thought it would be a good alternative to applying something directly to her skin. She purchased the Clip-On and decided to try it out yesterday since the mosquito's here come in two sizes, "fryers and broilers" and they are thicker than love-bugs this year.
She had the clip-on on for just a few minutes before noting a chemical taste in her mouth then her eyes started to become irritated. She turned the Clip-On off and put it into a sealed plastic bag and left it outside. We started wondering about this product and did some research on it.
Each insert contains 31.2% Metofluthrin, a synthetic solvent developed in China. Turns out this is a very nasty neurotoxicant known to cause all sorts of damage to lab rats resulting in death. From what we have found, the maximum exposure limits have not been established for children nor even adult humans. It's known to be water soluble and highly toxic to fish & fowl as well as dogs. The Clip-On inserts are manufactured in Mexico.
I find it particularly interesting that the MSDS released by SC Johnson on 06/25/2008 does not even list metofluthrin in section 3 (Composition/Information on Ingredients) and in section 2 (Hazards Identification) it clearly states:
Route of exposure: "Eyes, skin, inhalation, ingestion".
On the SC Johnson MSDS dated 10/15/2008 section 2 states:
"Immediate Concerns: Harmful in contact with skin and if swallowed. May be harmful if inhaled. Avoid contact with skin, eyes and clothing. Avoid breathing vapors, mist or gas."
Considering the intended use of this product as directed and shown in advertisements for Off Clip-On is to envelope the user in a cloud of vapor, mist and/or gas, one can only be left to wonder if SC Johnson has even bothered to read their own MSDS for this product! The EPA report is downright scary.
I'm not telling you what to do but here are some links you can check out for yourself but I can assure you this **** will not be anywhere near my house ever again!
http://www.epa.gov/opprd001/factsheets/metofluthrin.pdf
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC40157
http://www.sumitomo-chem.co.jp/cgi-bin/research/list_e.cgi?year=2005&number=02
http://www.scjohnson.ca/msds/OFF!%20Clip-on%20Mosquito%20Repellent.pdf
http://www.offprotects.com/clip-on-mosquito-repellent/
http://www.offprotects.com/coupon/04-09-bogo/
Edited to fix the links that my orig copy and paste broke...
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Re: [Hnaf] Insect Repellant - flygoddess - 11-04-2010
WOW! I wasn't thinking those. I couldn't get BFVSFOREVER link .
I have this one
http://www.mosquitorepellent.com/
I lay it on my pontoon. As far as on my body, I choose the more natural like Lavender
http://www.medicineflower.com/inre.html
or Gardenia.
Pinning a bounce dryer sheet to your cloths and those solar ones fro WJ.
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - peter805 - 11-04-2010
Wow !!! I had no idea that repellant is so bad on things.
Thank you for sharing.
Peter
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - BFVSFOREVER - 11-04-2010
I apologize for posting that link to the Off site, I did not know that. I just sent an Email to them asking them about it. I does not surprise me though considering it uses a chemical developed in China (the same people that give us lead in our children's toys) and is manufactured in Mexico (nuff said). I also sent an Email to ThermaCell asking about their products chemical impact since their site only say's its a "copy" of a natural occurring substance. I will post the results when I receive their answers. Again, I'm sorry and Thank to Hnaf for alerting me/us to this. I am really fussy about things that go in and on me since my mild heart attack in January. I just received the response from ThermaCell and will post it in another post.
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Re: [smallmouth89] Insect Repellant - BFVSFOREVER - 11-04-2010
Ok, Here is the reply from TheraCell, it is their response followed by my question to them, still waiting for S C Johnson's reply
Bob,
Thank you for registering your Thermacell. The SJ Johnson Off Clip-On is different than our product, the Thermacell Mosquito Repellent product line of appliances and lanterns.
The ThermaCELL Mosquito Repellent is approved by the U.S. EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) and the E.P.A. of all 50 states as well as in 12 countries internationally. The EPA evaluated it for safety and functionality as well as environmental impact. Skin toxicity, inhalation toxicity and oral toxicity were a part of the information reviewed by the EPA during the registration process.
Our packaging does include the following warnings:
"Harmful if inhaled. Avoid breathing vapors."
"Do not contaminate food."
These warnings were required by the EPA when they gave us their registration. The chemical that we use can be harmful if ingested or inhaled in extremely high concentrations. For that reason alone, the EPA requires these warnings on any product that uses this chemical, regardless of how little of it is actually used.
Thermacell uses the ingredient d/cis trans Allethrin which is a repellent derived from Chrysanthemum flowers. I am attaching the Material Safety Data Sheet for the repellent mats, if you have any concerns you might want to show the MSDS to your physician. We have not had one health or safety complaint to date.
Our toxicologist informs us that the toxicity is the same whether inhaled or ingested. She also stated that the No Observable Effect Limit (the highest dosage given in laboratory studies in which no significant health effects were observed) for mammals is 750 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. An average person weighs at least 50 kilograms so the dosage needed to cause health effects would exceed 37,500 milligrams. One of our mats contains 498 milligrams and it is released over a period of 3 to 4 hours. Any chemical that is ingested or inhaled is quickly broken down in mammals. It does not accumulate and become a body burden. We believe that our product presents no health hazard for use outdoors with adults, children (please do not let children play with the product) and pets.
ThermaCELL commissioned a theoretical study (mathematical model) that showed that even if the unit were run in a windowless, small room for 8 hours straight, ThermaCELL would not pose an unreasonable risk to humans (Adults or Children) because the exposure level would be 2,000 to 3,000 times less than the No Observable Effect Level (NOEL) for Allethrin (the active ingredient.) In lab testing, the No Observable Effect Level is the highest dosage given to an animal that does not cause any significant health effects.
Please let me know if you have any questions Bob.
Best Regards,
Josh Schawbel
The Schawbel Corporation
26 Crosby Drive
Bedford, MA 01730
e-mail: [url "mailto
chawbel@thermacell.net"]schawbel@thermacell.net[/url]tel. 781-541-6900
fax. 781-541-6007
From: Robert A. Tuttle [mailto:bobsmobilerepair@wildblue.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:56 AM
To: customerservice@thermacell.net
Subject: Active Ingredient?
Hello, I was very alarmed when I discovered the poison S C Johnson was trying to put into people with their OFF clip on. What is the Active Ingredient in your product? Thank you for any information, Sincerely, Bob Tuttle
PS: This was copied from a post on one of my fishing sites, That link being: [url "../../../cgi-bin/gforum/gforum.cgi?post=622006#p622006"]http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/gforum/gforum.cgi?post=622006#p622006[/url]
My wife saw the cool commercials on TV for Off® brand Clip-On™ Mosquito repellent and thought it would be a good alternative to applying something directly to her skin. She purchased the Clip-On and decided to try it out yesterday since the mosquito's here come in two sizes, "fryers and broilers" and they are thicker than love-bugs this year.
She had the clip-on on for just a few minutes before noting a chemical taste in her mouth then her eyes started to become irritated. She turned the Clip-On off and put it into a sealed plastic bag and left it outside. We started wondering about this product and did some research on it.
Each insert contains 31.2% Metofluthrin, a synthetic solvent developed in China. Turns out this is a very nasty neurotoxicant known to cause all sorts of damage to lab rats resulting in death. From what we have found, the maximum exposure limits have not been established for children nor even adult humans. It's known to be water soluble and highly toxic to fish & fowl as well as dogs. The Clip-On inserts are manufactured in Mexico.
I find it particularly interesting that the MSDS released by SC Johnson on 06/25/2008 does not even list metofluthrin in section 3 (Composition/Information on Ingredients) and in section 2 (Hazards Identification) it clearly states:
Route of exposure: "Eyes, skin, inhalation, ingestion".
On the SC Johnson MSDS dated 10/15/2008 section 2 states:
"Immediate Concerns: Harmful in contact with skin and if swallowed. May be harmful if inhaled. Avoid contact with skin, eyes and clothing. Avoid breathing vapors, mist or gas."
Considering the intended use of this product as directed and shown in advertisements for Off Clip-On is to envelope the user in a cloud of vapor, mist and/or gas, one can only be left to wonder if SC Johnson has even bothered to read their own MSDS for this product! The EPA report is downright scary.
I'm not telling you what to do but here are some links you can check out for yourself but I can assure you this **** will not be anywhere near my house ever again!
[url "http://www.epa.gov/opprd001/factsheets/metofluthrin.pdf"]http://www.epa.gov/...ets/metofluthrin.pdf[/url]
[url "http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Chemical.jsp?Rec_Id=PC40157"]http://www.pesticideinfo.org/...l.jsp?Rec_Id=PC40157[/url]
[url "http://www.sumitomo-chem.co.jp/cgi-bin/research/list_e.cgi?year=2005&number=02"]http://www.sumitomo-chem.co.jp/...r=2005&number=02[/url]
[url "http://www.scjohnson.ca/msds/OFF%21%20Clip-on%20Mosquito%20Repellent.pdf"]http://www.scjohnson.ca/...uito%20Repellent.pdf[/url]
[url "http://www.offprotects.com/clip-on-mosquito-repellent/"]http://www.offprotects.com/...-mosquito-repellent/[/url]
[url "http://www.offprotects.com/coupon/04-09-bogo/"]http://www.offprotects.com/coupon/04-09-bogo/[/url]
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Re: [BFVSFOREVER] Insect Repellant - flygoddess - 11-04-2010
Interesting read, but has any body done research on the lotions or the spray ons?
Unless one goes with the natural, you are dealing with Toxins.
OH an Buzz Off Apparel is Chrysanthemum oil I think
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