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Bear Lake Mussel free - kochanut - 11-23-2009
heard this morning on the Cowboy that the traps that DWR set last april were pulled last week and every one of them was mussel free... thats great, but how much longer witll that last? im not familiar at all with Bear Lake so....... are boats inspected as well as they are say at Lake Powell? looking at a map i dont see any significant body of water abover Bear Lake, so is it just education and patience thats going to keep the lake mussel free?
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Re: [kochanut] Bear Lake Mussel free - lavaman - 11-23-2009
Give it a year or so.
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Re: [lavaman] Bear Lake Mussel free - Tarponjim - 11-23-2009
[quote lavaman]Give it a year or so.[/quote]
You may be right, but that's currently good news for a unique reservoir, unlike any other. Maybe it will even be longer than "a year or so" with any luck.
I have to agree though, someday they're probably going to be in all our waters. All this "prevention of spread" is fine and dandy, but most of the efforts and research should be in the direction of how to best cope with them once they "arrive." I think that's been done in other areas where they've been for quite a while, and maybe even around here, but that's gotta be the continued focus.
What do managers do once they show up? I haven't dug deep enough to find out if anyone has a plan, and haven't heard of any.
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Re: [kochanut] Bear Lake Mussel free - grzbear10 - 11-23-2009
Utah doesn't take the mussel problem serious and won't until it is too late. They say they do not have the manpower to inspect, but what will the costs be when we have a problem?
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - flygoddess - 11-23-2009
Just curious why you feel Utah is not taking this seriously.
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Re: [flygoddess] Bear Lake Mussel free - grzbear10 - 11-23-2009
Well I have never been check, nor have I have'nt seen anyone check. I even use the same self-check form over and over and keep scribbling over the date. Utah doesn't even want to have enough personnel to check limits.
They are in it for the bucks and thats it. Just look at how our deer herds have gone down to nothing with all the doe pemits being issued.
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - flygoddess - 11-23-2009
So, how should they go about fixing it? As you said...you use the same form over and over.....isn't it US that should be trying to stop this, or do we really need big brother slapping our hand (checking our boats)
Aren't YOU Utah?
Don't know about you but I don't need to be told what to do and not to do...[cool] The only person I am hurting is in fact myself.
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Re: [flygoddess] Bear Lake Mussel free - grzbear10 - 11-24-2009
It isn't US that worries me it's THEM. Reusing the same form if I comply shouldn't be an issue to me I used it as an example, but maybe it should raise a few eyebrows. These mussels have made it from the Great Lakes, and if Utah was concerned they would check all out of State boats. And yes I live in Utah, that is why I reported a boat from Arz. That was up at Rockport without a letter of self certification in his truck.
But if you feel things are fine I apologize and will keep my mouth shut
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - flygoddess - 11-24-2009
I don't think things are fine, but I think it is US that needs to fix it.
You would rather the DMV spend money hiring people to ticket sneaky people that are trying to get away with something.
Like I said, this is my state for now, and if I want it clean, I have to do it. Not expect other too, but encourage it.
No need to try to take jabs here.
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - flygoddess - 11-24-2009
[quote grzbear10] And yes I live in Utah, that is why I reported a boat from Arz. That was up at Rockport without a letter of self certification in his truck.
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Re: [flygoddess] Bear Lake Mussel free - hollynkait - 11-24-2009
It needs to be an effort between US and THEM. I agree with both of you. WE cant do it ourselves, and THEY need help. BUT they do need to do more. We were up at rockport and DWR was there checking for certs and was telling me that there was a guy there from the great lakes area that had been in rockport for THREE days before they noticed him or talked to him about cleaning. I dont know how it is in that area, or any states that are infected, if they have to sanitize before they move lakes or if they even worry about it. Thats why it is a good idea that boats are checked at the POE's. Some states do check there.
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - fish1on - 11-24-2009
Just a question here.
What is wrong with reusing the certification form by just changing the date? I keep my form and many times have been glad I did because the holder at the ramp was empty and not a sole around to get some from.
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Re: [hollynkait] Bear Lake Mussel free - flygoddess - 11-24-2009
Holly you are right about some states checking. I have a pontoon boat that I had to shell out $20. for a sticker to use it in Idaho. Did I get checked....no. Did the little 14' boat with an electric motor and no licenses get checked...no.
Even if we spent the money to have big brother check everywhere we go, doesn't mean it is going to be done.
It is up to you and me and everyone else.
The guys checking your boat can also be in an I don't care mood. I know that, that little $20. sticker I bought and Idaho fish and game paid some young man to sleep in his car while we launched.
I have been cleaning my gear since the first outbreak of Whirling Disease, doesn't everyone[
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - mojorizing - 11-24-2009
[quote grzbear10]It isn't US that worries me it's THEM. Reusing the same form if I comply shouldn't be an issue to me I used it as an example, but maybe it should raise a few eyebrows. These mussels have made it from the Great Lakes, and if Utah was concerned they would check all out of State boats. And yes I live in Utah, that is why I reported a boat from Arz. That was up at Rockport without a letter of self certification in his truck.
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Read this if you don't believe they're not doing anything.
http://www.lakepowellrealty.net/2009/11/01/quagga-mussel-fines/
http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2009/11/man-pays-2500-mussels-glen-canyon-national-recreation-area-they-werent-main-course4847
Idaho putting a band aid on their program. Non residents with boats have to pay for a $20 sticker. Not from the IF&G, but Parks and Recreation. It's a major pain in the arse. Utah has more cleaners than Idaho. That's what the sticker's pay for in Id, Utah's not charging anything. Would it make you feel better handing over $10 or so for a sticker?
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Re: [mojorizing] Bear Lake Mussel free - grzbear10 - 11-24-2009
The National Park Service issued that ticket if I am not mistaken This isn't just an fishing issue here. I am sorry I opened my mouth. There is enough people out of work and I am sure if someone checked into it, that Obama's stimulas money would pay for some if not all of it. So we pay a guy $25/hr to check boats. and if need be do a secret shopper type thing until you find someone that is willing to do it right. Heck I would. This is already costing the country billions of dollars. I expressed my opinion as to the state not doing enough and I should have kept quiet.
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Re: [mojorizing] Bear Lake Mussel free - Tapajos - 11-24-2009
Heres a simple solution. Simply hire a few full time employee's to work every single state park boat ramp, and inspect every single boat before launching. Sure it would slow things down but you tell me of a better way to stop the spread of these things. And any bull crap about the cost. They offset the cost of everything else they want by just increasing the cost of a licence. This should be any different.
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Re: [grzbear10] Bear Lake Mussel free - flygoddess - 11-24-2009
[quote grzbear10]Utah doesn't take the mussel problem serious and won't until it is too late. They say they do not have the manpower to inspect, but what will the costs be when we have a problem?[/quote]
Grz, I understand and support your frustration and passion, but I was referring to this comment...and that is why I say....You are Utah as I am for now. Yours and My back yard.... Sounds like you can be as bad of a Bull Dog as I can when it comes to unwanteds entering the yard.
Yes the DWR could probably do more, I just KNOW I can.
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Re: [flygoddess] Bear Lake Mussel free - grzbear10 - 11-24-2009
Last comment. I said "Utah" not "DWR"
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Re: [Tapajos] Bear Lake Mussel free - Tarponjim - 11-24-2009
These "keep 'em out" solutions, with their good intentions, are just prolonging the inevitable. It only takes one, or a very few, "infected" boats to introduce the monsters.
At the Gorge, nearly all the boats launched are not inspected. Just put the little form in the windshield. The purpose of that little form is more to educate than enforce. It makes the less-informed more aware. I mean, if someone knows and doesn't care, they'll just lie on the form and go on from there anyway.
ALL the money and time and research should be going into finding answers about how to deal with them once they're in our waters. (and I believe that some states and agencies have or are planning to do this). Stickers and forms in windows are NOT the answer to anything though, just a delay tactic.
Like Joni said, its up to US to slow/prevent the spread. Wash your stuff! Everything.
The only other answer is something similar to what they're doing in Colorado: Closing Waters Completely unless inspectors are available. Most Colorado lakes now require a physical inspection. We don't want that (at least I don't), and it still won't keep the things out forever.
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Re: [Tarponjim] Bear Lake Mussel free - MACMAN - 11-24-2009
Just curious, how do they do a complete inspection? I was inspected on my way to Henry's in Idaho, had my sticker- they did a quick walk around, a couple of questions and sent me on my way.
If I were in an infected water could they get into my live well, my bilge or inside my water intake on my motor? How do they inspect for that and how do you sterilize where you can't get to?
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