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eyes - THESLAYER - 07-16-2009
I hear rumor of eyes in jordenelle any one else seen or heard of this. thanks
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Re: [THESLAYER] eyes - zman1 - 07-16-2009
heard the same thing ...There have been a few reports kinda like bigfoot is it really true?
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Re: [THESLAYER] eyes - mactuna - 07-16-2009
No proof, wouldn't doubt it
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Re: [THESLAYER] eyes - PIKEMAN99 - 07-16-2009
The state has gill netted a couple. So they have put it on the information posters posted at the lake as one of the species that you can catch in that water. I have also heard from the locals that some one from Kamas caught one. I thought that it would be soon that one of the Jordanelle bass lovers would hook into one. I checked the river a year ago in april and never seen no eyes. But was too busy this year to check. But I believe once they do get a hold in there it could grow some big big eyes. Just my two cents Pikeman GOFISH
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Re: [THESLAYER] eyes - ctizzfishin - 07-16-2009
Several years ago ( probably 5 or so...) My friend and I were fishing off that big rock on the rock cliff arm. We caught probably ten or more little 9-12 inch walleye one night. I was pretty convinced that they would start showing up more and more because of how they usually take over a body of water. But it hasnt happened yet. I have heard of a handful caught since. I have been in many arguments about that night. people dont believe us.
chris
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Re: [ctizzfishin] eyes - THESLAYER - 07-16-2009
Now here is another question do you think people would throw a stink if the became popullar there?
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Re: [THESLAYER] eyes - mactuna - 07-16-2009
Heck no, they are a challenging fish too catch.
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Re: [THESLAYER] eyes - LordoftheFlies - 07-16-2009
I think some of those that enjoy it as a premier fishery for Smallies may take exception with the introduction of Walleye. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in all likelihood they would be competing for the same forage.
They do, however, seem to co-exist pretty well in other waters (i.e. Starvation).
I'm curious as to whether this is a result of some bucket biology or if they actually made it up from Deer Creek. Thoughts?
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Re: [LordoftheFlies] eyes - Therapist - 07-17-2009
The introduction of Walleye and Perch to Jordanele were done illegally and was not a good idea. Sure, it is nice to have another fishery, but it really screws up DWR's management of the fishery and does not build good will. If the walleye become established, the DWR will have to stock larger fingerling trout, increasing the cost to us, the sportsman, and it reduces the quality of the fishery for Trout fisherman as there fewer fish stocked. With walleye, smallmouth, largemouth, perch,and browns, stocking the smaller fingerlings in the spring is not efficient as they become fish food. They have to stock bigger fingerlings ( 3-5 inches) and stock in the fall when the water is cooler and the predators have slowed down for the year. Because the fish are bigger, they cost more to produce, fewer fish are stocked, AND because they have not had a summer to grow, fewer survive the winter, again increasing the overall cost.
So if you know who put the walleye and perch in Jordanelle, do us all a favor and break their legs, then turn em into DWR and collect the reward. They have cost us all a great deal of goodwill and money.
Re: [Therapist] eyes - fishguru73 - 07-17-2009
I just wonder why the state hasn't looked for a small baitfish suited to higher altitude cold and summer heat because all of the game species around here prey on other game species so the boom and bust curse is an ongoing problem. I think it would be best to have a sustained population of small fry that every fish thinks taste like chicken. In Oklahoma we had such an abundance of gizzard shad that everything got big, and in the same water. I know that shad would winter kill at the Nelle but there has got to be some sort of little banquet delight that would thrive there. Rotenone is no longer cost effective, especially on a lake that size, and it would take years for the lake and the Provo River to recover from such an indiscriminate kill. I think that shiners could really turn things around for consistent hog fishing but, then again, i'm not a biologist so this is just wishful thinking at best. I still think it's worth some research.
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Re: [LordoftheFlies] eyes - lurtch - 07-17-2009
i personally think they co-exist so well is becouse they gererally inhabit the depper watters and feed at nite..they like living with the catfish..
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Re: [LordoftheFlies] eyes - wiperhunter2 - 07-17-2009
This topic has been brought up before and a few folks thought it was possible that the walleye came from Deer creek and were in the river when the dam was built. The perch are all together different with most folks thinking they likely were planted by bucket biology but some folks did say that it was possible that they were carried there by seagulls or as eggs on the seagull feet. Either way it sounds like they are both there now.
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Re: [Therapist] eyes - TubeDude - 07-17-2009
[cool][#0000ff]There are varying theories on how the walleye got into Jordanelle. Since there are no natural barriers between Deer Creek and the upper Provo it is conceivable that a few wallies got "captured" by Jordanelle Dam. More likely they got there the same way they did in Deer Creek...from the livewells of anglers who thought they had a better management plan than DWR. Ditto for perch.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Actually, the walleyes have not seemingly become numerous enough to create a noticeable effect on the Jordanelle fishery...either in terms of angler results or in predatation on other species. Of course that can change...as we have seen on other waters.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]The perch in Jordanelle are a mixed blessing. As in Starvation, they have supplemented the food supply for the predators after the chub population was diminished. No crawdads in Jordanelle, as there are in Starvation, so the smallmouth rely more heavily on perch. Their sizes and numbers seem to fluctuate according to the health of the perch population. And both browns and rainbows feed heavily on perch fry and yearling perch all year round. I wonder how well the trout would be doing without perch in their diets.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]No reason or excuse for the bucket bozos changing ecosystems to suit their own personal fishing preferences. But, like it or not, those other species are in the lakes and there to stay. In some cases they have proven more positive than negative. But, it is always potentially dangerous to start sprinkling other species around and messing up any chance at proper management.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Too bad it is so difficult to track or trace the origin of illegal introductions. A fitting punishment might be to subject the perpetrator to a colonoscopy using an adult member of the species illegally introduced. Those with spines might cause some agony.[/#0000ff]
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